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Brgerinitiative PRO ERDKABEL Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen Panel Discussion: Realizing large scale infrastructure projects Content: 1. Who are we 2. What do we want ? - Our targets 3. What have we done ? 4. Examples for getting acceptance


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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

Panel Discussion:

Realizing large scale infrastructure projects

Content:

  • 1. Who are we
  • 2. What do we want ? - Our targets
  • 3. What have we done ?
  • 5. Outlook

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  • 4. Examples for getting acceptance for grids in earth
  • in cost comparisons
  • in combination adjacent to the Autobahn

including noise-protection wall

  • in emission figures
  • in introduction of new technologies
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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

Foundation: 2007 Active members:

  • ca. 100 persons

Leadership:

  • ca. 10 persons

Speaker: Reinhard Brinckmann Press affairs: Peter Gosslar Media + Internet: Wolfgang Schulze Region: Centre of Germany Intention: basically democratic peaceful, no violence politically neutral and correct

  • pen to everyone and critical

Cooperation: Committee High Voltage in Niedersachsen Member of Speakers’ Council

Who are we?

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

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What do we want?

We are not fighting against electrical power grids. We are presenting alternatives: instead of high masts, we only want grids in the earth. We call for an innovative transmission system in Direct Current (DC). We don’t want any kind of partial sectors of earthgrids but we would be satisfied when the total distance Wahle to Mecklar (about 200 km) would be placed in earth as a pilotproject We are claiming and appealing to all politicans in all parlaments to make human politic for all citizens again. The last change of the law in July this year was not enough and it was not helpful for achieving our targets.

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 4

What have we done in the past?

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

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Acceptance through changing technical arguments: Example: DC- (HGÜ) overlay net in Europe

Starting point energy production, transit and transportation since 1900: is only possible in AC-technology Argument: no other way and no better way for all market participants in stability and supply-safeness Today‘s discussion: Germany and Europe needs an overlay net in DC (?) 4 main lines north/south from Hamburg-Munich, and also in east/west direction Magdeburg-Frankfurt Yesterday: no experience and no practice in DC-technology but: ABB‘s project „South West Link“ in Sweden with 179 km cable and 62 km traditional grids and Siemens connection between France and Spain Bundesnetzagentur: actually new studies in demand and production, Is this the end of dena I and dena II ?

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10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

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Acceptance in cost comparison Example: cost calculation

Gesamtkosten (betriebswirtschaftlich)

50 100 150 200 250 300 Freileitung Erdkabel in %

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10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

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Acceptance in cost comparison Example: cost calculation

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 1

20 40 60 80 100 120 Freileitung Ausgangslage in %

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 2

20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 Freileitung Grundstücksentwertungen Ausgangslage in %

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 3

20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 Freileitung Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwert ungen Ausgangslage in %

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 4

20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 Freileitung kürzere Laufzeiten Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwert ungen Ausgangslage in %

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10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie #

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Acceptance in cost comparison Example: cost calculation

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 7

50 100 150 200 250

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Übertragungsverluste (nicht bei HGÜ) Klage- und Gerichtskosten, Zeit Landschaftsschutz kürzere Laufzeiten Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwertung en Ausgangslage in % Freileitung

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 6

20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200 Freileitung Klage- und Gerichtskosten, Zeit Landschaftsschutz kürzere Laufzeiten Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwertungen Ausgangslage in %

Volkswirtschaftliche Kostenbetrachtung 5

20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200 Freileitung Landschaftsschutz kürzere Laufzeiten Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwertun gen Ausgangslage in %

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 9

Acceptance in cost comparison Example: cost calculation

Ergebnis des Volkswirt.Kostenvergleichs

50 100 150 200 250 300

Erdkabel Freileitung

Übertragungsverluste (nicht bei HGÜ) Klage- und Gerichtskosten, Zeit Landschaftsschutz kürzere Laufzeiten Gesundheitskosten Grundstücksentwertung en Ausgangslage

in %

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 10

Acceptance in infrastructure Example: DC-Power-grids next to the Autobahn

3,50 m greens 3 tracks = 12,00 m 3,00 m emergency track

Noice Protection Wall Concrete-Tube 2,00 m DC-Grids inside installed

safetyboard

Advantages:

  • 1. technical:

übliche Baupraxis bei Erdarbeiten und Rohrverlegung gute Begehbarkeit innerhalb der Rohre für Inspektionen leichte Installation der Kabelstränge innerhalb des Rohres sehr viele Kabelstränge auf engstem Raum, weil keine Magnetfelder und kein Wärmeanfall hohe Sicherheit gegen Beschädigungen von außen geringe Wartungskosten durch Entfall von Umwelteinflüssen

  • 2. optical:

von außen kaum wahrnehmbar,keine Natur- und Umweltzerstörung

  • 3. economical:

Kostensenkungen durch parallel verlaufende Arbeiten

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 11

Acceptance in Health-Agruments:

Example: Maximum emission standards in Europa in 50 Hertz

Netherlands 0,4 Micro Tesla Switzerland 1 Micro Tesla Italy 10 Micro Tesla Germany 100 Micro Tesla

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 12

Acceptance in new fair laws:

Example: Distances between villages and grids

  • Nds. Leitungsausbaugesetz: Earth grids can be used, when less than 400 m

in 2009 Federal Energieausbaugesetz: Earth grids must be used, when less than 400 m (EnLAG) in March 2011 Netzausbaubeschleunigungs- no specification, no explanation, no comment Gesetz (NABEG) in July 2011:

Result: negativ progress, unintelligible, impossible Population becomes „WUTBUERGER“

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 14

Outlook

Acceptance in the citizenship is only reachable, if … … dialogs starting between all participants (round tables) very eary, … communication between all participants is fairly based, … transparency in each step of planing-processes and in the necessity , … implementation of professional moderators and mediators, … fair compensation in case of incompatibility, … indemnities payable yearly according transportation volume, … installation of the latest technical know-how, … remaining neutral justice in all instances, … population become share-holder-status … no compromise possible, finally a people‘s referendum

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Bürgerinitiative „PRO ERDKABEL“ Bad Gandersheim/Kreiensen

10th INFRADAY 2011, Berlin

Peter Gosslar, Folie # 15

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