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E VE OF M ODERNISATION The panel responds After interviewing Emil Paulis, editor D AVID S AMUELS asked a group of in-house counsel and private practitioners what they thought of his responses Since modernisation shifts the burden of work to


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Since ‘modernisation’ shifts the burden of work to business, GCR thought it appropriate to ask in-house counsel what their views of the final reforms are. We therefore invited four senior in-house counsel to review an advance copy of our Emil Paulis interview. Here are their

  • thoughts. We have also included the thoughts of three private practitioners, and one well-known academic.

The following presentation is a virtual roundtable—that is, the participants never actually met. Our panellists have also asked it to be made clear that the views expressed are their own, and not those of their organisations. We are happy to comply with those requests.

THE PANEL Sarah Biontino

Allen & Overy Sarah is a French-qualified lawyer and former member of DG Competition who now works chiefly in Public Affairs. As a Commission official, her field of expertise was Article 81 and 82. She now handles casework and lobbying in all competition areas for Allen & Overy’s EU practice group in Brussels.

David Broomhall

Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer David is a partner in Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer’s antitrust, competition and trade practice in Brussels. He has been based in Brussels since 1991. He helps to lead his firm’s energy regulatory law group.

Jose Del Rey

Repsol YPF Jose is a former deputy sub-Director Gen- eral at Spain’s Competition Authority. He is trained as an economist and lawyer. He is the Director for Regulation and Competition at Repsol YPF’s Corporate Directorate for Legal Affairs.

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After interviewing Emil Paulis, editor DAVID SAMUELS asked a group of in-house counsel and private practitioners what they thought of his responses Jörg Häring

Siemens AG Jörg is a Syndikus (senior legal counsel) in Siemens AG’s Corporate Legal Department, based in Munich. He represents Siemens in proceedings before the European Commission and the German Federal Cartel Office, both in merger and non-merger cases. Prior to his present position, he was with US law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton.

Nicholas Levy

Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton Nick is one of the leaders of Cleary Got- tlieb Steen & Hamilton’s EU competition law practice. He recently featured in Global Competition Review’s ‘40 under 40’. Nick is in fact picked in that article “for a sec-

  • nd time”: he made it into a version we did

in 1998. Nick has a two-volume book in print: European Merger Control Law: A Guide to the Merger Regulation.

Dr Alan Riley

Nottingham Law School Alan is senior lecturer in European Competi- tion Law at Nottingham Law School. He is also an associate research fellow at the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Studies and chair of the Competition Law Scholars Forum, ‘CLaSF’.

Stefano Macchi di Cellere

Jones Day Stefano is a partner of Jones Day, leading the antitrust and competition, new technologies, and communications practices of the firm in

  • Italy. He has degrees in comparative law and

spent his whole career providing advice on EC and Italian antitrust laws.

Rufus Ogilvie Smals

GKN plc Rufus has been chair of the UK’s Confedera- tion of British Industry’s competition panel since 1996. He is head of GKN plc’s legal

  • department. Rufus is a barrister by training.

In his capacity as chair of the respected CBI panel, he has been at the heart of develop- ments in both EU and UK competition law.

Dimitris Tzouganatos

Tzouganatos & Co/general legal counsel to the OTE (Hellenic Telecommunications’ Organisation) Group of Companies Dimitris was, until recently, president of Greece’s national competition agency (2000-2003). He is arguably Greece’s best-known competition figure. Since leaving the world of enforcement, he has begun to combine academia and private practice as a general counsel to a collective of Greek telecoms companies.

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GCR: What are your general thoughts now about modernisation? BIONTINO: It is an inevitable step in an enlarged Europe. HÄRING: I welcome the new system because it abolishes a bureaucratic scheme, thereby leading to a more efficient use of resources by the Commission. At the same time, as Paulis says, it will grant the users of the sys- tem more flexibility and the benefit of exemption without having to wait for a decision from an authority. However, the devil is in the details: Modernisation will do away with the opportunity to secure immu- nity from fines, as was possible pursuant to Article 15 (5) of Regulation 17/62. Compa- nies and their counsel will bear full respon- sibility for their antitrust assessment in complex cases, when one can find about as many good arguments for legality as for ille-

  • gality. Yet, they are not entitled to request

guidance by the Commission, and in-house counsel is still not awarded a legal privilege. LEVY: I believe that modernisation is a bold reform that will usher in a new era in EU competition law. The changes mark the end

  • f systematic referrals of restrictive agree-

ments, which should relieve the Commis- sion’s administrative resources and allow the Commission to focus on serious infringe-

  • ments. The participation of more actors in

antitrust enforcement should accelerate the development of EU competition law. That said, there is a pressing need to harmonise national competition authorities’ procedures. The success of modernisation will depend on the efforts taken in its practical

  • application. National courts and competi-

tion authorities face the challenge of mas- tering the complex application of Article 81 (3), which requires economic assessment as well as investigation. Achieving a balance between ensuring a coherent application of EC competition rules, which is necessary to avoid market fragmentation, and allowing national enforcement bodies to develop their own vision of how such rules should be applied will be an important challenge in the years ahead. MACCHI DI CELLERE: An attitude of sensi- ble scepticism should suggest that the ‘Modernisation Package’ reform, imple- mented by Regulation 1/2003 and com- pleted by the enactment of specific guidelines, carries its own problems and uncertainties even though—all things con- sidered—it must be welcomed, since it rep- resents an expected and long-awaited evolution of the existing system and sets forth a decentralisation that should be a key—in the long run—to obtain a consis- tent application and enforcement of EC competition rules within the ‘enlarged’ European Union.

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OGILVIE SMALS: Modernisation is a major experiment because nothing like the Euro- pean Competition Network has been attempted previously and nobody can know how well it will work in practice. It repre- sents, in effect, a federal system working without a federal structure. Much will depend on how effectively the Commission

  • rganises and monitors the operations of the

new system. It would be exceedingly dam- aging to the Single Market concept if com- petition rules are not applied across all Member States on a level playing field basis. TZOUGANATOS: Overall it was a necessary

  • move. We will have to wait for some years

for a fair assessment of its merits. GCR: Did Paulis say anything that surprised you? BIONTINO: No. HÄRING: No. MACCHI DI CELLERE: I was very much— positively—surprised by the awareness of the need, and efforts undertook towards a comprehensive training of national judges. TZOUGANATOS: No. GCR: Did he say anything that disappointed you? BIONTINO: No. HÄRING:Yes, regarding the in-house coun- sel legal privilege. LEVY: It’s disappointing the Commission has not taken the opportunity of moderni- sation to adopt a more enlightened view on the legal privilege rules concerning in- house counsel. In-house lawyers play a key role in ensuring adherence to competition laws and their advice should be accorded

  • privilege. It is also regrettable that the

Commission is not yet in a position to clar- ify the law on the scope and application of Article 82. MACCHI DI CELLERE: Yes. It was disap- pointing to hear that “companies knew per- fectly well that it was almost impossible to get an exemption decision,” whilst putting all the blame simply on the failure of the old notification system: in this respect the Com- mission should be less self-indulgent. TZOUGANATOS: No. GCR: Did he say anything that raised active concerns—what? BIONTINO: I thought there was a certain naïvety about the belief that courts across Europe are preparing actively to face the new challenge. LEVY: Not really. MACCHI DI CELLERE: Even if we knew it already, it is quite worrying the open admis- sion that the ‘Modernisation Package’ will bring along the risk of replacing a set of old bureaucratic burdens with other new ones.

Ogilvie Smals: Modernisation is a major experiment because nothing like the European Competition Network has been attempted previously and nobody can know how well it will work in practice

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TZOUGANATOS: Nothing in particular. I think the answers were more or less predictable. GCR: Did he duck any awkward questions—which? BIONTINO: I’d have liked more detail on the ‘future contact channels’ between our clients and DG Comp LEVY: One key area of uncertainty is the risk and consequences of multiple enforcement

  • n competition rules to the same case.

Council Regulation 1/2003 sets out certain general principles and some of the basic mechanisms for cooperation, but many of the details have been left to be worked out. GCR: Do you agree with his assessments for the most part? BIONTINO: Yes. HÄRING: Yes. MACCHI DI CELLERE: Overall, I confess that Paulis has been quite open and frank, at least in providing his point of view and maintaining the official position of the Commission. TZOUGANATOS: Generally, yes. GCR: And if you were in his shoes, do you think you would be saying much the same things? BIONTINO: Yes HÄRING: Probably MACCHI DI CELLERE: Partially yes: apart from implying a radical change of culture for all EU domestic and multinational com- panies, we admit that the self-assessment procedure may be a positive change if only it is going to be supported by clear guide- lines and by a constructive dialogue with the Commission’s officials. TZOUGANATOS: Inevitably. GCR: Would you personally retain notification—why? BIONTINO: Yes HÄRING:No. LEVY: I don’t think so. MACCHI DI CELLERE: No, if the alternative to keeping a centralised ex ante notifica- tion system would be a decentralised ex post review system that would allow com- panies to obtain comfort letters centrally without restraint. RILEY: I would agree that the notification procedure did not work. It could never be made to work when the Commission insisted on elaboration procedures, exten- sive translation and publication requirement and extremely detailed decisions. However, it could have been reformed, with stream- lined procedures, including limited transla- tion and publication requirements, and less exhaustive formal decisions. For instance,

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the Commission could have introduced a reformed notification procedure with noti- fication of all agreements capable of being retroactive, deadlines for decision-making, short form decisions, and crucially, so that the case load could be managed, a filing fee to cover the resource implications of any upward swing in notifications. DG Compe- tition never gave a reformed notification procedure a chance! TZOUGANATOS: Probably yes. I think we will return to this point. GCR: What preparations has your

  • rganisation been making ahead of 1

May’s starting date? BIONTINO: Allen & Overy has deliberately built up a strong network of offices across Europe, including in the new Member States such that we now have over 90 lawyers tackling these issues on a daily basis. BROOMHALL: We have spent a lot of time internally across our European network analysing the practical effects and implica- tions of modernisation. We also have strong links with leading firms in those countries where we do not have offices, in order to ensure that we are able to cover all aspects

  • f modernisation going forward.

GCR: Do you agree that the “old system was provably a failure”? MACCHI DI CELLERE: That answer was a bit

  • contradictory. Paulis states that old system

proved to be a failure, but does not exactly say why: receiving 100 notifications a year is not a failure per se; and it does not seem to represent a resource problem that pre- vented the Commission from concentrating

  • n most serious violations.

Paulis stated above that real driver of reform is the enlargement of the European community; however, the Commission seems neither to trust sufficiently national agencies nor wishes to maintain the cen- tralised notification system since—despite the low rate of notifications received every year—it appears to strongly believe that under an ex ante regime Commission would receive filings in thousands. It is again contradictory that the Commission was not ready to delegate to national agen- cies the power to adopt formal positive exemption decisions, while it decided nev- ertheless that national agencies and local courts where apt to support the workload deriving from ex post decisions on applic- ability of Article 81 (3). GCR: Paulis says ‘legal certainty’ is going to increase: do you agree? BIONTINO: No, because the legal certainty for our clients used to derive mainly from the fact that they were covered from fines

Riley: Without an effective judicial centre generating uniform cases, 26 judicial interpretations might as well be 26 different national laws

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from day one, and that that would only be

  • verturned in exceptional cases.

BROOMHALL: The fact of making Article 81 (3) directly applicable certainly increases legal certainty at one level, but having the decision as to whether or not the criteria are satisfied resting with each company and its advisers is inherently less certain, particu- larly where you are dealing with a complex blend of legal and economic issues. DEL REY: It is true that legal certainty was

  • nly fully available to those lucky enough to

get a decision, but even a comfort letter was also more useful than the new system, where it is impossible to know if the company is doing right when carrying on an agreement. In short, certainty is now impossible to get until an agreement is challenged either by the courts or the authorities and it survives that challenge unharmed. HÄRING: Within Paulis’ understanding of ‘certainty’—as opposed to his ‘predictabil- ity’—he is right. ‘Certainty’ does increase for the users of the new system. An agree- ment that fulfils the conditions for a positive decision as such benefits from the protection

  • f the law without the requirement of an

exemption decision. However, this increased certainty is only at issue in cases where the legal validity or enforceability of a compet- itive restraint is contested. Things may well be different in the context of an enforcement

  • f competition rules by competition author-
  • ities. In such administrative proceedings,

users of the system are deprived of the pos- sibility to secure immunity against fines through notification. You used to be able to do this pursuant to Article 15 (5) of Regu- lation 17/62. LEVY: Modernisation may well increase legal certainty in a number of ways. In par- ticular, as a result of the transparency and guidance contained in the Guidelines, com- panies should be in a better position to assess whether their commercial agreements meet the Article 81 (3) exemption criteria. However, the abandonment of the notifica- tion system, together with the Commission’s apparent disinclination to issue guidance let- ters other than to resolve novel questions concerning the interpretation of Articles 81 and 82, may give companies somewhat less legal certainty. MACCHI DI CELLERE: This is yet to be seen. Among the elements of uncertainty intro- duced by the new system there are, in my view, (i) the new guidelines adopted by the Commission, that do not offer the necessary clarifications and are too complex, abstract (involving also economic analysis) and not user-friendly for businesses and national courts; (ii) the fact that national agencies may exercise their powers in different man- ners due to their local institutional settings,

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to establish if their agreements are to be con- sidered lawful or not. Also, under the old system companies could have made a legal analysis to give a proper qualification to their agreements (and indeed they have done so in the past, irrespective of having filed a notification). ‘Predictability’ is not some- thing that you can measure by the number and the length of guidelines issued: eg these guidelines may well decrease the pre- dictability ratio if they are in contradiction with existing rules and case decisions, and do not fit the majority of real-life scenarios. OGILVIE SMALS: In the final analysis the contrast made between legal certainty and legal predictability strikes me as a distinc- tion without a difference. TZOUGANATOS: This is the million dollar question … I think that a decentralised application of Article 81 (3) is not neces- sarily connected with the termination of the notification system. Therefore, I think that the answer of Paulis is not entirely persuad- ing at this point. In my view, the notification system could be kept but with a modifica- tion: agreements would be notified to the NCAs and it would be for them to decide whether an exemption should be granted. I also think that the Commission should decide on ‘complex matters’. There is, no doubt, a difficulty in distinguishing between ‘complex’ and ‘routine’ matters. However, this question could be answered by the NCA (not by the interested parties): if the NCA, to which the matter was notified, considered the case as ‘complex’ and referred it to the Commission, the latter would have to take

  • charge. Within this framework one could

also think of Guidelines describing the prin- ciples, according to which a matter should be considered ‘complex’ and referred to the Commission. I cannot really understand the difference between predictability and legal certainty. GCR: Do you consider the sources of ‘predictability’ he indicates sufficient to address the problems inherent in ‘complex matters’? What in your opinion should be done regarding such matters (eg a Lloyd’s R&R or UEFA collective selling type case)? BIONTINO: I see an increase in ‘rules from above’ in the form of block exemptions and cases taken on the basis of Article 81 (1) as a matter of principle, rather than to punish

  • ffenders.

BROOMHALL: Given the limited circum- stances in which both formal and informal guidance will be given, and the degree of publicity which under the reforms will be given even to informal guidance, I suspect neither procedure will be used frequently in practice, even in complex cases. Equally, procedures and criteria of operation; (iii) the disparity in time frames, which certainly exists among different Member State’s courts when rendering a decision according to local rules. OGILVIE SMALS: Legal certainty will only improve when there is clear and consistent application of the rules. Few would disagree that the old system was failing to deliver legal certainty though there is less unanim- ity over the reasons for this. Some would blame the niggardly approach of the Com- mission to the granting of exemptions for

  • verloading the system and causing it to

break down but the notification system was probably not sustainable in the long term, particularly following expansion. Self assessment in the context of a prohibition system seems to work reasonably well in the USA but the application of the rules in that jurisdiction is much more mature. GCR: Are you happy with his distinction between ‘certainty’ and ‘predictability’? BIONTINO: Block exemptions will give our clients a set of rules to go by but I believe that guidance letters will not give more help than the handful of decisions taken under 85 (3) and indeed may in fact give less since according to the new rules, they may not be appealable. BROOMHALL: The distinction is valid from a theoretical perspective, but ultimately what business is going to be asking is can we enter into this agreement and will it be enforceable? Those are questions where it does not make much sense to split the issues and where the system as a whole needs to provide one answer. DEL REY: I agree that the Commission can do a lot to improve predictability. The only problem is that it is quite difficult to explain in guidelines what kind of agreement is legal and which one is not. But, definitely, once we have lost certainty, we must press the Commission to issue guidelines in as many standard situations as possible HÄRING: I agree with Paulis that, at the level

  • f concept, ‘certainty’ may be distinguished

from ‘predictability’. However, in practice they very often fall into one because ‘cer- tainty’ is of very limited value if parties to an agreement, owing to a lack of ‘pre- dictability’, cannot assess whether a specific restrictive contractual provision benefits therefrom. MACCHI DI CELLERE: This distinction is not

  • convincing. Legal certainty was established

under the old system as in the new, just the same: by the enactment of laws that can be interpreted and enforced. The real point of debate is whether or not, under the new sys- tem, there is an increase of ‘legal pre- dictability’; ie how easy is it for companies

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  • n the Commission’s side, the effectiveness
  • f the guidance route in terms of improv-

ing predictability will depend on how often the Commission is prepared to exercise its considerable discretion and how broad an interpretation it applies to what amounts to a novel issue. As to the substantive guidelines, it is really too early to say— their effectiveness will clearly depend on how closely and consistently they are adhered to in practice. HÄRING: Only time will tell. For the mean- time, I would not feel sufficiently comfort- able to rely on the mentioned sources of predictability in one of our more complex

  • matters. Such complex matters are often

characterised by the fact that one can find about as many good arguments for legality as for illegality. For such matters, and in particular in cases where substantial invest- ment decisions are based upon the antitrust assessment, the users of the system should be entitled to request guidance by the Com- mission, even if this is only in extraordinary cases and subject to some reasonably restric- tive conditions. LEVY: Although the Guidelines should help increase legal certainty, they clearly cannot deal with every situation. Antitrust cases are highly fact intensive, and facts are infinitely

  • variable. Whether certainty and predictabil-

ity are enhanced by the new regime will depend largely on the application of Articles 81 and 82 by national agencies and courts, rather than the legislative framework implemented by the Commission MACCHI DI CELLERE: Complex matters, by definition, will require a detailed analysis and a case-by-case approach. Such an exer- cise will prove that existing guidelines will not be sufficient to clarify such matters and be a sufficient support to render authorita- tive answers. That is why I would have hoped that the Commission was willing to create an advisory body so that it would be possible to have discussions with its officials and/or obtain guidance letters, not solely on those limited cases in which novel issues arise, but also on those complex matters that, considered in their single components, do not present unusual questions. OGILVIE SMALS: The Commission has made some allowance for complex matters by accepting the need in limited cases for guidance letters to be provided. This should be of some assistance but it remains to be seen how willing the Commission will be to provide such letters in practice. Unless they are reasonably proactive on this, particu- larly in the early years of the new system, then there could be a real chilling effect on business decisions. GCR: Do you agree that compliance is being simplified because 26 laws are being

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  • thing. This is because Regulation 1/2003

fails to install a ‘one-stop shop’ principle that would provide us, the users, with any legal certainty—or ‘predictability’, if you prefer—regarding which authority is com- petent to handle a case. And if you don’t know that then you don’t really know what the eventual decision will look like, I would argue. I think that the provisions on coopera- tion between the Commission and the com- petition authorities of the Member States, as set out in Article 11 of Regulation 1/2003), are not persuasive. This system does not exclude the possibility that more than one competition authority may be competent to deal with an individual case. LEVY: As to Article 81, compliance should be simplified. As to Article 82, however, there continues to be uncertainty and ambi- guity as to the law. It is highly desirable that the Commission clarify the situation in the form of a notice or guidelines to avoid inconsistent or wrong decisions being taken at the national level. Although there will be some simplifica- tion, which is welcome, the 26 national laws will still apply if there is no effect on trade between Member States. MACCHI DI CELLERE: Not really in agree-

  • ment. Firstly, it could be pointed out that

mainly large multinationals will effectively benefit from the alleged elimination of the burden of verifying their agreements against 26 standards; secondly, and most impor- tantly, it is naïve believing that from now

  • n lawyers will not consult any more with

their correspondents in the various states where agreement reaches its effects to get advice on national competition law: this will continue to be the case since EU law may well be applied by national agencies and local courts in a varied manner depend- ing on procedural laws and the given Mem- ber State involved. OGILVIE SMALS: This is an oversimplifica- tion of the possible benefits given that the 26 national laws will remain on the respec- tive statute books and there are significant differences between them and also with EU

  • rules. Incidentally, the Commission should

take greater responsibility for seeking con- vergence of these differing laws. The issue here is when EU jurisdiction will override national laws and that turns on the appli- cation of the ‘effect on trade’ concept. In its Modernisation Package, the Commission has missed an opportunity to clarify the application of this concept with more ‘bright line’ rules. RILEY: I think Paulis is underplaying this. For the client on the ground whether it’s a different interpretation of the same law, or a different law, applied differently to EC replaced with one? BIONTINO: [He] is right about direct enforcement of Articles 81 and 82, but of course a majority of cases will still fall under national rules, which to date, have not been harmonised at all. Indeed, judges across Europe have, in many cases, little experience

  • f applying EU competition law and there

could well be great divergence in its appli- cation whereas before clients could expect the interpretation by the Commission and the ECJ that they were ‘used to’. BROOMHALL: For agreements affecting trade between Member States, the obliga- tion to apply Article 81 is clearly helpful; however, the issue is more one of the poten- tially divergent interpretations which may be applied to Article 81 by the various national courts and competition authorities. Although many of the modernisation reforms are designed to minimise this risk, for this to work in practice it will require a considerable amount of discipline at both an EC and national level. Equally, for Article 82 it will remain important to verify the rel- evant national legislation, given that mod- ernisation does not prevent stricter national abuse of dominance rules. DEL REY: I think it was already the case before the new Regulation that no agree- ment could be legal if it was against Euro- pean competition law. Still, if a national authority starts procedures against an agree- ment because it goes against national law, the company can always defend its legality according to EU law, but that was already like that. HÄRING: I agree that compliance will be

  • simplified. It is in fact a good thing that

users will only need to apply EU law as soon as an agreement affects trade between Mem- ber States. Although this is, of course, often very hard to decide. That fact alone will thwart the harmonisation effort to a con- siderable extent. In my view, the harmonisation as set forth in Article 3 of Regulation 1/2003 does not go far enough. I would have preferred Article 3 to be worded as it was in the orig- inal draft regulation, where it provided for an exclusive application of EU law to agree- ments that may affect trade between Mem- ber States. Moreover, while Regulation 1/2003 may ensure that the one law pre- vails, and the 26 laws do not prohibit agree- ments deemed valid and enforceable under EU law, the same, unfortunately, does not hold for unilateral conduct—Article 82 of the EC Treaty. I would agree with the comment that your interviewer made in the follow up, where they suggest 26 different laws are in fact giving way to 26 different interpreta- tions of one law, which might be the same

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law, its still going to be costly. The point is that for all the Commission’s notices, there is far too little easily available judicial cer- tainty in the system. An Article 234 ruling from Luxembourg, which will take two years to be delivered, is far too little to ensure basic antitrust points are applied uni- formly across the Union. Hopefully, under the amendments introduced by the Nice Treaty, the CFI will get antitrust Article 234s and it will be properly resourced so that it can deal with such cases quickly. Without an effective judicial centre generating uni- form cases, 26 judicial interpretations might as well be 26 different national laws. TZOUGANATOS: The answer exaggerates when it stresses on the replacement of 26 standards by one. On the one hand, the dif- ferences between national competition laws are not substantial—in fact most of them contain similar general provisions. On the

  • ther, differences in the interpretation and

application of the same legal standard could be bigger than expected. GCR: What will modernisation do to corporate compliance costs, in your view? Will they increase or decrease and by what order of magnitude? Is your view based on any specific research? BIONTINO: I do not believe that the new sys- tem will increase costs … except possibly in legal fees for interpreting an agreement and advising the client that it will not fall foul of the rules if the law and economics it con- tains are borderline. BROOMHALL: It is difficult at this stage to predict, although given that much of the same analysis as was required in more recent times under the old regime will still need to be done post-modernisation, I suspect that compliance costs will not change materially. DEL REY: I think the cost will raise very much in terms of the legal fees companies will have to pay to get the maximum cer- tainty available before putting an agreement into practice. That scarce level of certainty will only be available at the high cost of many hours of study of complex agreements HÄRING: I find it hard to say. In principle, the abolition of the bureaucratic Form A/B notification system should reduce the administrative compliance costs. Moreover, applying only one law might reduce the cost

  • f getting expert antitrust assessments of a

particular restriction in a particular Mem- ber State. However, at least for a multina- tional company, this effect should only be of marginal importance as most of the activi- ties of such a company would affect trade between Member States anyway. On balance, corporate compliance costs probably should decrease. However, such decrease isn’t likely to be too sub-

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  • stantial. I should qualify this by saying that

my view reflects a gut feeling rather than any specific research. LEVY: It’s difficult to evaluate the effect of modernisation on corporate compliance

  • costs. On the one hand, companies clearly

will no longer need to sustain the costs incurred in notifying agreements. On the

  • ther hand, the increased application of

competition law across the EU, together with the heightened risk of litigation and greater emphasis on economics, may effect an overall increase in the costs associated with competition law compliance. I disagree that 26 interpretations of one law raises the same practical problems as having 26 dif- ferent laws. MACCHI DI CELLERE: My view may be debatable as Paulis’, since is not based on any specific research but only on discussions with in-house counsels: it is difficult to pre- dict order of magnitude, but corporate com- pliance costs will certainly increase. The main reason for a cost increase is that all companies that have entered into agreements that may raise doubts as to their validity—subject to the Article 81 (3) test—will have to perform an ongoing and never-ending verification. Moreover, this verification will have to be tested under several jurisdictions, since the number of subjects that may raise objections have now increased. As a consequence of the new self-assess- ing system, companies will also suffer increased litigation in cases filed at local level by third parties and competitors; this is also because, under the new set up, the burden of proof in such disputes will rest on the company that, eventually not being able to prove the subsistence of Article 81 (3) conditions after a given period of time after having entered into a restrictive agreement, may be very likely accused of not having ful- filled said conditions since the initial enter- ing into of the agreement. OGILVIE SMALS: Modernisation involves a package of proposals, which in total result in a complete rewriting of EU Competition

  • rules. However, the substance of the legal

principles involved is not changing and therefore, after a period of familiarisation with the new rules, I would not expect inter- nal compliance costs to increase significantly. However, the cost of any advice required from private practice lawyers is likely to increase significantly given the range of issues which will need to be considered in any particular case which is in the grey area. GCR: Do you see one set of bureaucratic tasks possibly being replaced with another? BROOMHALL: Modernisation will only work effectively if there is sufficient commitment

Riley: €800,000 per year on antitrust training sounds a lot. However, amongst the hundreds of courts who could conceivably have to deal with antitrust matters, this is not going to go far

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in terms of resources at both an EC and national level—this is a key issue. Many of the consistency safeguards built into mod- ernisation are extremely sensible on paper, but demand a considerable amount of resourcing in order to work in practice, in terms of collating, packaging, analysing and sharing the relevant data. MACCHI DI CELLERE: I take it that mod- ernisation will bring a change in quality, but again Paulis admits that modernisation will not solve, but rather worsen, the Commis- sion’s and Ageny’s resources problem. GCR: Are you reassured by his comments that judges in Member States have had €800,000 worth of training? BIONTINO: Not really, given the lack of training until now! DEL REY: Knowing the current preparation

  • f judges, I´m not reassured at all. It takes

more than a course to get acquainted with competition matters. It is necessary to intro- duce a corps of specialised judges, as some countries are envisaging. HÄRING: It would be far more effective and would produce a more coherent and consis- tent application of EU law if there were an

  • bligation for every Member State to install

specialised competition tribunals where spe- cially trained judges have exclusive jurisdic- tion for competition matters. LEVY: It would, of course, be ideal if each EU country had its own specialised compe- tition tribunal. This is of particular impor- tance given the increased use of economic analysis, quantitative data, and economet-

  • rics. A judiciary, unpracticed in the adjudi-

cation of antitrust issues, may have difficulty grappling with those issues, in par- ticular when faced with the diametrically

  • pposing views of two economists. Also, as

courts in civil proceedings are in most cases limited to evidence adduced by parties with-

  • ut investigative powers of their own, the

task of evaluating competing economic evi- dence is not easy. MACCHI DI CELLERE: Certainly this is good news, but also a clear sign that the Com- mission has recognised that training of national judges is a serious issue. OGILVIE SMALS: The proposed training budget of about €30,000 per Member State is obviously not going to be anywhere near sufficient to make a real difference. There is little indication, either, of Member States being willing to make the necessary resources and training available. RILEY: €800,000 per year on antitrust train- ing sounds a lot. However, amongst the hundreds of courts who could conceivably have to deal with antitrust matters, this is not going to go far. GCR: How have you found the level of

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knowledge of EU competition law among the judiciary of different Member States. Are there any Member States you would be please to have a case heard in? BIONTINO: It is patchy, to say the least! DEL REY: In Spain the level was low until

  • now. The new ‘mercantile judges’, who are

going to be the ones to deal with the appli- cation of Regulation 1/2003 can improve things but that remains to be seen. MACCHI DI CELLERE: The variable level of knowledge of EU competition law among the judiciary is a fact, but this is only one aspect contributing to the risk of forum shopping: in some instances, courts of dif- ferent Member States may have different approaches simply because they do not have the same powers or may exercise their pow- ers in different manners due to their institu- tional settings, procedures and criteria of

  • peration. Whenever this is the case, train-

ing will not be sufficient to fill the gap. As to which Member State I would like my case to be heard, I would say it depends: there is plenty to choose from, depending on the results you are aiming at. OGILVIE SMALS: This is a major concern for business. With few exceptions, the judi- ciary of the different Member States do not seem to have a detailed grasp of EU com- petition law or, in many cases, even a pass- ing knowledge. With these new arrangements exemption decisions under Article 81 (3) could come before any com- mercial court in Europe, notwithstanding the absence of knowledge or training of the

  • judges. Many see this as the major threat to

the effectiveness of the new system and, in particular, its uniform and consistent appli- cation across the Member States. These concerns seem to have been swept under the carpet in the headlong rush to adopt the new system. TZOUGANATOS: Antitrust law is simply too complicated to be applied in a satisfactory way by the national courts. A training pro- gramme could hardly be sufficient. Now that economic analysis is increasingly required, the application of competition law by judges lacking economic expertise could be a drawback. While it is true that national courts have applied Article 82 EC in the past, they have not dealt with Article 81 EC in its entirety and this is a more difficult task. Moreover, we don’t know how successfully they have applied EC competition law, as coherent application was not an issue until now. GCR: Have you looked at the draft notice

  • n 81 (3)? What are your thoughts on it

regarding complexity/simplicity? BIONTINO: The notice is very complex but I would agree with [Paulis] that it fulfils a

Häring: Frankly, I do not agree with the suggestion that, in contrast to external counsel, in-house advise

  • n strategic

matters and do not give purely legal advice. Good legal advice always has the strategic element

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new purpose, to help companies under- stand the mechanism and so will help prac- titioners carry conviction in advising companies that their agreements respect the rules. BROOMHALL: Making Article 81 (3) directly applicable is one of the most fundamental changes of modernisation and as detailed guidance in this area as possible, to try to ensure a coherent approach, can only be

  • welcomed. The degree of complexity of the

Notice is largely inherent in the nature of the mix of legal and economic tests set out in Article 81. HÄRING: I acknowledge and appreciate the effort made by the Commission to clarify the application of Article 81 (3) of the EC

  • Treaty. By definition this entails complex

economic analysis and valuation, so it was inevitable that the notice would be fairly complicated. LEVY: Because the Article 81 (3) Notice deals with a wide variety of situations, it was never going to be short. Indeed, it prob- ably needs to be comprehensive to encour- age national courts to offer a coherent framework of analysis. MACCHI DI CELLERE: We all had the oppor- tunity to provide comments to the Com- mission about the recognised complexity of the draft guideline notice on Article 81 (3); having read the final text, I must admit that—as confirmed by Paulis’ statement— the Commission has considered absolutely necessary a detailed and meticulous descrip- tion of its optimal interpretation and appli- cation of Article 81 (3) in order to tie the hands of “a multitude of decision makers”. It is yet to be seen if this complexity will assist the Commission in reaching this unconcealed goal and maintaining local courts in good order. GCR: Do you consider it a workable notice in its present form? If not, how could it be improved? BIONTINO: I think that it is workable but its complexity could give rise to divergent, if not confusing, interpretations across Europe. HÄRING: The main problem I foresee is on quantifying the efficiencies gained through a certain competitive restraint. There are fundamental methodological problems in quantifying efficiencies. This is made worse because the user of the sys- tem bears the burden of proof regarding Article 81 (3). So reading the obligation imposed on the user to calculate—or estimate as accu- rately and as reasonably possible—the value

  • f the efficiencies, and describe in detail how

the amount has been computed, I disagree with Paulis. Although the suggestion that a company will naturally undertake some

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analysis of how an agreement reduces costs

  • r improves quality or generates other pos-

itive effects, one should bear in mind that that analysis is only on very rare cases based

  • n quantitative methods or supported by

quantitative results. This is particularly true for SMEs. MACCHI DI CELLERE: The notice is by no means addressed to no-one other than the competition law specialist: a less detailed, more easily readable notice would be a much superior practical guideline to busi- nesses, practitioners and local judges. My view is that coherence in application would be better served by a simpler text. Moreover, we should not forget that the competition law specialists to whom the notice is addressed are those who will more often try to bend the interpretation of such notice in their clients’ direction. RILEY: The Article 81 (3) Notice is very

  • complicated. Paulis can say the judges can

cope, but I am not sure that they believe they can cope. The evidence obtained by the UK House of Lords Select Committee

  • n the European Union in 2000 indicated

that many members of the British and con- tinental judiciary were less than happy at the prospect of having to apply Article 81 (3) themselves. GCR: Do you agree that it is “not … insurmountable for [you and your colleagues] to live up to these standards”? BIONTINO: I would say that we are trained to meet our clients expectations! BROOMHALL: I suspect that post-moderni- sation, despite the fact that the fundamen- tal tests for Article 81 (3) to apply have not changed, there will be far more of an inter- active approach between companies and their external counsel in terms of assessing just how far the analysis of the Article 81 (3) issues needs to go in order to give the client the degree of comfort it is seeking. In appropriate cases, there may also be more willingness to change the terms of agree- ments to ensure that—at least textually— they fit within the terms of the relevant block exemption. HÄRING: If the draft notice communication is strictly applied in its present form, then for many users of the system the burden of proof for efficiency will be impossibly high. In that sense, I don’t think the guidelines constitute a workable instrument. MACCHI DI CELLERE: In my view it is not an issue of living up to the new standards. Going back to the ‘predictability’ concept mentioned by Paulis, I would say that companies will ultimately have to pay the price for ensuring the legal predictability

  • f their agreements.

Judges certainly have the capacity to deal with complex issues; the difficulty here is that they will have to deal also with economical analysis and utilise con- cepts that most of them have never applied in the past. OGILVIE SMALS: The perception within the business community is that the notice on 81 (3) significantly raises the bar in terms of

  • compliance. The issues to be dealt with and

the level of analysis required might be within the competence of the economics faculty of a university, but it is difficult to see how any but the largest and best- resourced companies will be able to cope with it. It is difficult also to see how even specialist law firms will be able to assist their clients with the necessary analysis without involving professional economists. The complexity, cost and delays involved may have the unintended consequence of deterring perfectly legitimate business transactions. GCR: Can you ever see yourselves seeking such a letter—how often and in what circumstances? BIONTINO: It will of course be difficult to counter the pressure from a client who takes the view that its JV is totally unique and ground-breaking or to quiet the fears

  • f a very cautious in-house counsel … But

frankly speaking, our job as lawyer is to assess agreements and it will certainly make the work more challenging. The one problem that I see is that in the past, once a notification had been submitted, a case team would be allocated and we had a counterpart to talk to. In the new system, although I do not believe that DG Comp will refuse informal contacts to hammer

  • ut a problem, there will be no actual

‘structure’ to carry these contacts for-

  • ward. It is a paradox that where the new

merger package provides for even more pre-merger contacts and state of play meetings, the new modernisation rules in antitrust are pushing in the other direc- tion: they provide for no such ‘institu- tionalised’ contact mechanisms. This probably will increase the workload of public affairs managers. DEL REY: I think it will be useful and I also foresee an increase in informal contacts HÄRING: Whether it will be advisable to request a guidance letter will depend on the details of the individual case as well as how the Commission’s practice evolves with such

  • requests. The circumstances mentioned by

Paulis, namely the presence of a novel or unresolved legal question, would clearly affect such a decision. I think too that the commercial importance of a specific antitrust assessment will make a difference. As a more general matter, I deplore the

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fact that users of the system are not ‘entitled’ to request guidance by the Commission, even

  • n truly ‘complex’ matters. In my opinion,

Article 10 of Regulation 1/2003 is not a suf- ficient substitute for such a facility, as its cri- terion, the “community public interest,” is not a workable or manageable criterion. I do not share the view that no suit- able criterion for distinguishing complex cases exists that would not in effect rein- troduce notification system through the back door. LEVY: I can well imagine that companies might engage us to obtain business review

  • letters. Indeed, one of the strengths of the

present system is the possibility to obtain the Commission’s early views on the compati- bility with competition rules of projects that may entail significant costs. In practice, the Commission’s preparedness to issue such letters may be an important factor in shap- ing companies’ views of the success of the new regime. MACCHI DI CELLERE: It is evident that, given the aptitude of the Commission towards guidance letters and the very lim- ited occasions in which these would be acceptable (that is to say: only when they relate to novel, unresolved questions), I do not see clients seeking guidance letters very often. TZOUGANATOS: I could see myself seeking such a letter in complex cases, but I am not sure whether (in view of priorities) I would get one. (As an alternative see my view above on the possible combination

  • f decentralised application of Article 81

(3) with a notification system and refer- rals of ‘complex’ matters to the Commis- sion by NCAs.) GCR: What are the issues likely to be when considering whether to make a request? BIONTINO: We will need some practice before answering this one! BROOMHALL: I mentioned earlier the degree

  • f publicity which will be given even to infor-

mal guidance. The timeframe in which any such guidance can be obtained is also likely to be a critical consideration in practice. MACCHI DI CELLERE: As previously stated, I would have hoped to see accepted guid- ance letters also focusing on matters of proven complexity: in the end it will always be for the Commission to determine whether a matter is novel or complex; and again, given that agreements can move in and out of illegality, I would not advice a client to call for a guidance letter that, in time, may well lose its authority. OGILVIE SMALS: The guidance letter proce- dure is potentially useful but it has been set up by the Commission in such a way that it

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will be rarely available. GCR: What did you think about Paulis’ comments on in-house privilege? DEL REY: I object to that conclusion. Legal privilege should apply to in-house lawyers HÄRING: I strongly disagree with Paulis’ view on this matter. I hope that the recent decision of the president of the Court of First Instance [decision of 30 October 2003, T-125/03 R and T-253/03 R] is a first sign that this discussion may soon gain some

  • momentum. Paulis’ arguments would seem

very result-oriented. As to the contention that the Commis- sion should be able to discover whether in- house counsel has given the advice that the proposed conduct could be illegal, I cannot see why there should be a distinction between in-house and external legal advice. Nor, it would seem, can Judge Vesterdorf of the Court of First Instance. Furthermore, the new system shifts responsibility to the companies to assess whether the conditions for exemption pur- suant to Article 81 (3) are met. Most of this responsibility will have to be borne by in- house counsel. Yet in-house counsel does not enjoy a legal privilege, although in most Member States bars set forth the same stan- dards of professional ethics for in-house and external counsel. Those common standards reflect simi- larities in the kinds of work performed. Frankly, I do not agree with the suggestion that, in contrast to external counsel, in- house advise on strategic matters and do not give purely legal advice. Good legal advice always has the strategic element. A decent external attorney gives exactly the same sort of strategic advice. So by that logic, external counsel should not be enti- tled to claim any legal privilege on strategic advice either. But I don’t think anyone is going to start arguing for that result any- time soon. As for the fact that EU authorities do not have ‘discovery power’: this should not be used as an argument for denying in- house counsel a legal privilege. To my knowledge, US discovery power never extends to legally privileged documents. In

  • ther words, regardless of whether a doc-

ument stems from in-house or external counsel, it may not be produced in a dis- covery proceeding. OGILVIE SMALS: His answers indicate that Mr Paulis attributes greater importance to investigative convenience than to the fun- damental legal rights which exist in most Member States. In terms of compliance responsibility, there is no difference between the tasks performed by internal and external legal advisers and they should be treated equally if the system is to work as effectively as it should. Mr Paulis should regard compliance as being equally impor- tant to enforcement. RILEY: Paulis is at his least convincing on the issue of privilege. The suggestion that the difference in US and EU powers of dis- covery is such that the Commission needs to restrict professional privilege, does not stand up to any close examination. In car- tel cases where privilege could potentially bite, the difference in the formal discov- ery powers are largely irrelevant. Cartel cases are not generated by discovery pow- ers but by leniency. The reason why the Commission has had over 60 leniency applications in the last two years is because it has adopted a US-style leniency programme, not because privilege is in any way restricted. GCR: Is there a case for having a ‘grace period’ as suggested during the interview? MACCHI DI CELLERE: Under Article 81 (1), agreements can move in and out of illegal- ity on the basis of market share variations. Since it is difficult for companies to con- stantly monitor all complex elements con- tributing to the constant fulfilment of the four conditions required under Article 81 (3), the suggestion made of allowing a ‘grace period’ during which sanctions would not be applied, does not seem incompatible with the functioning of a fair-minded system. GCR: Can you see the ECN amplifying the leniency programmes effect, as suggested? BIONTINO: In a case were a client would want to go to a competition authority that has a more ‘favourable’ treatment of appli- cants than another, I could see some shop- ping around occurring to get the best terms. However, the temptation to go to the Com- mission first will still be overriding in most pan-European cartels. BROOMHALL: In practice, it is likely to push those countries which do not have national leniency regimes to adopt them sooner than might otherwise have been the case. DEL REY: Maybe. LEVY: A clear weakness of the current leniency regime is the uncertainty as to whether an application filed in Brussels will confer protection at the national level. MACCHI DI CELLERE: It is central to the car- tel prosecution programme to amplify the leniency programmes as suggested; however, I would carefully advise a client applying to the leniency programme not to rely much on existing ECN rules that cannot bind fully all national agencies. I would add that if national agencies would be really willing to concede immunity as a ‘side-effect’ to an exchange of information, they should also

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support a leniency programme covering their own jurisdiction. OGILVIE SMALS: The issue here is where are these rules which Paulis refers to and how do they deal with the possibility of criminal sanctions in jurisdictions such as the UK? TZOUGANATOS: Not really! Note that NCAs with no leniency programmes usu- ally may not legally enter into a commit- ment not to use information against the leniency applicant. GCR: Would you feel confident applying for leniency to Brussels, having heard the safeguards in place? BIONTINO: Yes. There is already a flow of information between the Commission and the national authorities and we have all lived with this system for the past 40

  • years. Leaks are inevitable in a political
  • system. There are safeguards, as [Paulis]

pointed out. It seems to me that in a Europe that chooses to keep such varied rules on evidence-gathering and treatment

  • f confidential information by public

authorities, there is no other way than to find a compromise. BROOMHALL: The Commission has shown itself in practice to be highly committed to ensuring that its leniency programme works efficiently and confidentially. The consequences of modernisation under- mining that programme, where part of the rationale for decentralisation is to allow the Commission to focus on exactly these types of infringement, will I suspect ensure that confidentiality is kept in very sharp focus. DEL REY: Only if the assurances given by the system of the member country are good enough, could those fears disappear. MACCHI

DI CELLERE: Agencies should

always maintain the confidentiality of busi- ness secrets. The fact of life is that the client position may be such that there is basically no alternative other than applying for leniency; in such cases, should confidential information be disclosed, a claim for dam- ages may well turn out with poor results in certain Member States. OGILVIE SMALS: Confirmation as to the precise scope and extent of these ‘safe- guards’ would be required before any sensi- ble view can be taken on such a potentially critical issue. TZOUGANATOS: The functioning of the ECN is an internal matter. For enterprises it is not transparent how exactly information will be

  • used. I would, therefore, be rather cautious.

GCR: What effect do you see modernisation having on the ECJ? BIONTINO: It will probably worsen the very

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difficult situation that the CFI faces now, with long delays in hearing cases and obvi-

  • us overload. A serious reform is long over-

due and the problems will mostly increase due to enlargement rather than because of the modernisation package. BROOMHALL: It is bound to increase work- load, not just at the ECJ, but also through more actions before the CFI. HÄRING: I see the workload of the ECJ increasing significantly, at least in the first years after the coming-into-force of the new

  • system. There will be a lot of Article 234 EC

Treaty cases as national courts will rely on the ECJ for the assessment of EU law to a considerable extent. LEVY: It is feared that the decentralisation

  • f antitrust law may lead to further delays

in preliminary reference proceedings due to the increased number of requests for preliminary references coming from the national courts. Requests for preliminary rulings are particularly likely to occur with respect to the interpretation of Article 81 (3). National courts have little experience with this provision, as they are not allowed to apply it under the current sys-

  • tem. Further, there have been relatively

few formal exemption decisions adopted by the Commission so far, which has led to a sort of interpretive gap as far as Arti- cle 81 (3) is concerned. To these short- comings one can add the well-known delays in the processing of requests for preliminary rulings at the ECJ. It might therefore be a good idea to take up the suggestion raised in the Treaty of Nice to give the CFI primary responsibility for pre- liminary rulings concerning the applica- tion of Articles 81 and 82. This would make optimal use of the great expertise acquired by that Court in antitrust matters

  • ver recent years.

MACCHI DI CELLERE: I believe that there will be a substantial boost in the number of appeals as soon as the number of decisions

  • n Article 81 (1) violations rises.

OGILVIE SMALS: Many have argued that a specialist court for competition cases should be set up within the ECJ, which, as presently constituted, is simply not organised to deal with a high volume of cases within a com- mercially acceptable time frame. TZOUGANATOS: It will most probably increase, but that is something that would have happened anyway in a 25-member

  • Union. What will also increase is the work-

load of NCAs, which will informally act as counsels to national courts. For NCAs with scarce resources this could significantly affect their efficiency. GCR: thank you all for your time. ■

Biontino: A serious reform is long overdue and the problems will mostly increase due to enlargement rather than because of the modernisation package