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Improving Implementation with the SPeeding Research INTerventions (SPRINT) Program Anna Gaysynsky, MPH Alisa Ainbinder, PhD, MA, April Oh, PHD, MPH, Tara Loomis, MBA, MA Cynthia Vinson, PHD, MPA 10th Annual Conference on the Science of


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Improving Implementation with the SPeeding Research INTerventions (SPRINT) Program

Anna Gaysynsky, MPH Alisa Ainbinder, PhD, MA, April Oh, PHD, MPH, Tara Loomis, MBA, MA Cynthia Vinson, PHD, MPA

10th Annual Conference on the Science

  • f Dissemination and Implementation

Arlington, VA December 5, 2017

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Evaluation Approach

  • Two cohorts of SPRINT to date (Cohort I in Summer 2016, Cohort II in

Spring of 2017)

  • SPRINT was evaluated using a mixed-methods approach that collected

both quantitative and qualitative data from SPRINT participants (n=20 teams consisting of 2-4 team members).

  • Response/participation rate:
  • Cohort I post-course survey: 81%
  • Cohort I focus groups: Everyone who attended closeout session (exact number not

available)

  • Cohort II post-course survey: 78%
  • Cohort II focus Groups: 85%
  • Presentation will cover evaluation results, barriers to commercialization,

and the relationship between D&I and commercialization

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Evaluation Results

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Overall SPRINT Course Rating*

  • Cohort 1:
  • Cohort 2:

*Note: response options differed slightly in the two versions of the survey

45% 45% 9% 0% 0%

0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60%

Overall, how would you rate the SPRINT course?

Excellent Very good Fairly good Not very good Not good at all 44% 48% 8% 0% 0%

0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60%

Overall, how would you rate the SPRINT course?

Very good Good Fair Poor Very poor

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Faculty Rating*

  • Cohort 1:
  • Most respondents (86%) rated interactions

with facilitators as “Good/ Excellent”, and felt their feedback was helpful (86%)

  • Cohort 2:
  • Most respondents (83%) rated interactions

with facilitators as “Good/Very good”, and felt their feedback was helpful (75%)

*Note: response options differed slightly in the two versions of the survey

“Although it was uncomfortable at times, the instructors' insistence that we challenge our assumptions was important.”

50% 42% 33% 33% 17% 21% 4% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% Quality of interactions with facilitators Feedback from facilitators on ideas

Instructor Ratings

Very good Good Fair Poor Very poor 36% 36% 50% 50% 9% 14% 5% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% Quality of interactions with faculty members Feedback from faculty on ideas

Instructor Ratings

Excellent Good Fair Poor Very Poor

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Would Participants Recommend SPRINT?

  • Cohort 1:
  • The majority of respondents (86%)

would recommend the course to other researchers

  • Cohort 2:
  • The majority of respondents (84%)

would recommend the course to other researchers.

86% 14% 0% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%

Would you recommend SPRINT to other eligible researchers?

Yes Unsure No

84% 12% 4% 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100%

Would you recommend SPRINT to other eligible researchers?

Yes Unsure No

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Would Participants Recommend SPRINT?

Comments

  • Absolutely. We need more researchers to think like this.
  • Yes!! What an amazing experience that we will carry with us forever! I think anyone

that gets a R01 should be required to go through this process before they begin their research work.

  • It should be mandatory training for new investigators.
  • I would only recommend SPRINT it its current form if a researcher wanted to

start a business/start up. I do not think it is well suited for researchers who want to implement their interventions into real world clinical settings. Perhaps a program like TIDIRH would be better for the latter.

  • Not unless the grant will cover some PI time. It was very clear that PIs were to

devote 20% time for the 6-7 weeks. Which is fine but needs to be built into clinical, etc duties…

  • The training was worthwhile but the learning experience became very stressful

because of the pace. Each team member spent over 8-12 hour/week on SPRINT- related activities

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Time Commitment

  • Participants spent an average of 12 hours per week on the course (median =

10)

  • Participants in Cohort II spent about half that time (6 hours per week) conducting

interviews [Data not available for Cohort I]

  • In the focus groups there were some mixed feelings about the intensity of the

course and what (if anything) should be done about it.

  • [The immersion was] painful but set the pace
  • Immersion was key but [we] cannot keep up that pace
  • Need[ed] more time for reflection
  • Might be helpful for initial training to be longer so that there were not “16 hour days”
  • But if process lasted longer, it would be hard to justify (institutionally) as well as

schedule the time (personally/professionally)

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Was the stress worth it?

While many participants felt that the time commitment was challenging, in the end, most participants felt SPRINT was a valuable and worthwhile learning opportunity.

I thought the SPRINT program was terrific! It was a lot of work in a short amount of time but I'm very thankful that I was chosen to participate as I learned a great deal about the current product/intervention and skills/experiences that I can incorporate into future interventions. … the course was intense and the materials were challenging. I worked a lot harder (put in more time) than I had expected. But there is no easy way to teach difficult materials; there is no easy way to push people outside of their comfort zone…I learned a great deal and I'm very grateful for the opportunity.

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What Did Participants Get from SPRINT?*

  • Cohort 1:
  • Cohort 2:

71% 25% 4% 0% 0% 0% 0% 50% 100%

Obtained new skills/knowledge as a result of participation in SPRINT.

Totally agree Agree Neither agree nor disagree Disagree Totally disagree Doesn't apply/No response 50% 42% 8% 0% 0% 0% 0% 20% 40% 60%

Feel confident applying the skills/knowledge developed during the course

Totally agree Agree Neither agree nor disagree Disagree Totally disagree Doesn't apply 67% 33% 0% 0% 0% 0% 50% 100%

Obtained new skills/knowledge as a result of participation in the program

Strongly agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly disagree 52% 43% 5% 0% 0% 0% 20% 40% 60%

Feel confident applying the skills/knowledge developed during the institute

Strongly agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly disagree

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Knowledge and Skills Gained: General

  • [SPRINT] reshaped the way I look at interventions and delivery of services in

general... I never saw it [before] as selling a product… I look forward to applying some of things I learned in my personal research.

  • I learned not just things to help the intervention we have now- but interventions

for the future- so definitely it’s a skill development

  • My dissemination plans are going to be a whole lot different now. And that’s

exciting.

  • I’ve described it as “learning how to think about the realities of disseminating and

implementing interventions in ways that, given an academic position, you tend not to think about”…it’s been very helpful…to learn some of those real world barriers and challenges that exist in implementing an intervention

  • it really gives you a way to think about business so you can avoid some of the

pitfalls- because you can think through the whole process in advance…

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Knowledge and Skills Gained: Interviews

  • I don’t think we necessarily knew the best way to engage or talk with … insurance companies

and people who decide about business and investment... this was a good crash course in how to engage those stakeholders and figure out what questions we should be asking... Because what information they need to make their various decisions – [is] not in

  • ur mindset.
  • at first we all did interviews with people in our field the first couple of times, who are just like

us and had the same perspectives. But by the end of the course we were interviewing people totally outside of our fields. That’s been transformative.

  • learning how to network with people who were outside of the ivory tower in the real

world… I was completely clueless about that and intimidated by it…[but] I enjoyed finding common ground with people that we’re going to have to have relationships with if we’re going to impact public health through the dissemination of our intervention.

  • just talking to people who would be using the tool we’re developing, it’s critical for

making sure it actually meets the needs and demands of practitioners and patients

  • getting out of the building… it’s been the most valuable thing to my career so far. I’m

meeting people that do the same work I do- but not researchers - different stakeholders that all have the same common goal. If it wasn’t for this program- I wouldn’t be invited to sit at some of the tables I’ve now been invited to sit at in the last 6 weeks…

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Interview Requirement

  • Most teams did between 30 and 45 interviews, but a few teams did

significantly more that the required minimum of 30.

  • Some participants felt there was too much of a focus/too much pressure on the

interview requirement

  • I just think there’s a lot of pressure to get the interviews done…we absolutely did some

interviews where our time could have been better used-but it was just that desperateness to get something in.

  • I felt like [instructors] were too focused on the numbers [of interviews]. I felt like I

wanted to take a step back and think about, “what questions do I need to ask and get answered?” “Where do I really need to go?” “Where do I want to focus?” Whereas the push was really for numbers and just, "go do it"

  • Minimum number of required interviews for next cohort: 40.
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Prior Experience

Note: Cohort II survey did not ask about receiving royalties or contributing ideas utilized by a company

2.1 75.4 0.3 0.2 0.5 56.6 5.0 2.6 0.3 2.7 1.2 0.5 51.0 0.2 0.0 14.7 0.0 0.2 3.3 5.3 0.3 3.1 0.9 4.8 0.4 0.3 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80

Average number of times participants reported participating in various experiences prior to SPRINT

Cohort I Cohort II

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What Did Participants Learn?

Cohort 1:

  • Most respondents knew “Nothing/Very little” about Value propositions (63%), Channels (62%),

Revenue streams (59%), & Cost structures (58%). Participants were more familiar with Customer segments, Key Partners, & Customer relationships, with fewer than half indicating they knew “nothing/very little” about them.

  • After SPRINT, all respondents reported having at least “some” knowledge of each business

model component, but while most felt they had a “moderate amount” or “great deal” of knowledge about most of the components, a substantial proportion of participants still felt they only had “some” knowledge about Cost Structure (29%) and Revenue Streams (23%), indicating a need to spend more time on those components.

  • 80%
  • 60%
  • 40%
  • 20%

0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100%

Channels Cost Structure Customer relationships Customer segments Key activities Key partners Key resources Revenue streams Value propositions Channels Cost Structure Customer relationships Customer segments Key activities Key partners Key resources Revenue streams Value propositions Before After

Cohort I Knowledge Change

Nothing Very little Some A moderate amount A great deal

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What Did Participants Learn?

Cohort 2:

  • Customer segments and Customer relationships were somewhat more familiar to

participants, along with Key partners and Key activities. More than 85% of respondents knew “Very little/ Nothing” about Revenue streams, Cost structures, & Value propositions.

  • After SPRINT, knowledge of each business model component increased substantially,

but some uncertainty remained in regard to Key resources, Cost Structure, & Revenue Streams

  • 100%
  • 80%
  • 60%
  • 40%
  • 20%

0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100%

Customer Segments Channels Value Propositions Key Partners Customer Relationships Key Activities Key Resources Cost Structure Revenue Streams Customer Segments Channels Value Propositions Key Partners Customer Relationships Key Activities Key Resources Cost Structure Revenue Streams Before After Cohort 2 Knowledge Change

Nothing Very little Not sure Some A great deal

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What Did Participants Learn?

90% 67% 67% 100% 38% 90% 83% 42% 25% 63% 13% 83% 10% 33% 33% 0% 62% 10% 17% 59% 75% 38% 88% 17% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%

Assessing readiness for implementation Identifying a viable commercialization path Developing a scalable business model Identifying partners Getting investors interested Identifying & validating key customer segments Assessing readiness for implementation Identifying a viable commercialization path Developing a scalable business model Identifying partners Getting investors interested Identifying & validating key customer segments Cohort I Cohort II

Percent of participants who felt they learned "a moderate amount/a great deal" vs. "nothing, some, or a little" about different aspects of commercialization

A great deal/A moderate amount Nothing, A little, or some

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Did Participants Benefit from SPRINT?*

33% 57% 52% 33% 57% 57% 38% 43% 57% 19% 10% 5% 5% 10% 14% 0% 0% 0% 0% 10% I was able to identify a market for my behavioral intervention I gained an appreciation for what it takes to commercialize an intervention & the barriers to intervention adoption I gained a toolset I can use to make my research more “stakeholder” focused and commercially viable I increased my understanding of the real value of my intervention from a market perspective I was able to expand my network as a result of the interactions I had with teachers, investors, customers, and/or mentors 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60%

Extent of participant agreement with obtaining promised benefits (Cohort I)

Strongly agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly disagree

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Impact of SPRINT

62% 38% 24% 62% 52% 38% 57% 29% 24% 29% 24% 38% 33% 29% 5% 19% 24% 5% 14% 5% 10% 10% 5% 10% 14% 10% 10% 14% 10% The program has increased my interest in further developing/refining the intervention The program has increased my interest in working with a technology based start-up I will use information and ideas from the course in my teaching I will use information and ideas from the course to help guide the development of

  • ther Interventions

I will use information and ideas from the course in my career I will use the information and ideas from the course in my research program This program has enhanced my capabilities to plan and design my interventions for implementation 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70%

Impact of Sprint on Cohort I Participants

Strongly agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly disagree Not Applicable

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Impact of SPRINT

54% 29% 79% 71% 67% 58% 42% 25% 21% 29% 25% 33% 4% 21% 4% 8% 17% 4% 8% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% The program increased my interest in further developing/refining the intervention I will use the information and ideas from the SPRINT course in my teaching I will use information and ideas from the SPRINT course to help guide the development

  • f other interventions

I will use the information and ideas from the SPRINT course in my career. I will use the information and ideas from the SPRINT course in my research program. This program has enhanced my capabilities to plan and design my interventions for implementation.

Impact of Sprint on Cohort II Participants

Totally agree Agree Neither agree nor disagree Disagree Totally disagree Doesn't apply

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Next Steps*

  • Cohort 1:
  • 4 PIs Agree/Strongly agree that they

plan to apply for an SBIR award

  • 3 PIs Agree/Strongly agree that they

plan to seek nonfederal funding

  • r investment for their

product/program

  • Cohort 2:
  • 3 PIs Agree/Totally agree that they

plan to apply for an SBIR award

  • 3 PIs Agree/Strongly agree that they

plan to seek nonfederal funding

  • r investment for their

product/program

*Note: response options differed slightly in the two versions of the survey

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Next Steps*

  • Cohort 1:
  • 2 of the PIs were not sure if their

intervention is commercializable

  • Only 1 PI stated that they plan to market

an intervention that closely resembles the intervention they started with

  • 4 PIs indicated that their final product is

(or will be) substantially different from the intervention they started with

  • Cohort 2:
  • 4 PIs realized their intervention was likely

not commercializable and 3 were unsure.

  • Almost all PIs said that their current

product closely resembles the intervention they started with

  • However, several noted that they are making

changes/tweaks based on the customer discovery interviews, and one noted that the team would “likely make a number of modifications to our intervention” if they weren’t already actively testing the intervention in the R01

*Note: this information was gathered as part of one item in Cohort I survey and as two separate items in the Cohort II survey, so they are not directly comparable

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Examples of Pivots

  • Cohort I
  • Can’t be “married” to the intervention - have to incorporate feedback from

customers in an iterative process

  • Have to consider who will pay for the intervention and make sure the

intervention meets the payors’ needs (if different from those of the end user)

  • Cohort II
  • The product itself changed based on what we heard about customer needs.
  • We need to adapt the intervention to be simpler and more flexible.
  • Moving from what we thought would be a business model to a mission model.
  • Determining that health insurers are the most promising customer segment,

given their extensive network and incentives for meeting vaccination rates.

  • identifying AND focusing on early adopters we had not previously identified.
  • Tiering our pricing structure to allow for more consumer choice. Interviews led us

to develop more targeted models for different price points.

*Cohort I survey did not ask about pivots

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Logistics/Course Structure Recommendations

  • Cohort 1:
  • Tailor materials to behavioral scientists
  • More classes/prep work prior to the kick-off

meeting (e.g. a webinar covering the interview process)

  • Restructure kick-off meeting to reduce

commuting time and facilitate interviews.

  • Restructure course so that lectures precede

the week's activities rather than follow them (change flipped classroom model)

  • IRB issue should be considered up front
  • Use another funding mechanism
  • Provide better/more complete information to

participants prior to the course

  • Make time commitment more explicit
  • Provide more detailed description for each of

the team roles

  • Provide schedule well in advance
  • Cohort 2:
  • Tailor course materials to behavioral scientists
  • Provide training on conducting interviews

earlier so interviews that happen during the kickoff are more useful

  • Help teams set up interviews in DC when they

are here for the kickoff meeting

  • Introduce topic before homework is due

(change flipped classroom model)

  • Provide more support/training on course

software (which can be glitchy & not intuitive)

  • Change format for the webinar lectures (e.g.

do the weekly presentations on-on-one or create smaller groups and allow teams to give each other feedback)

  • Let people know about the time commitment
  • Give better definition of the roles
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More Networking and Collaboration

  • Cohort 1:
  • interaction amongst teams would

speed things up as we were all often interviewing [the] same people

  • Perhaps adding more socializing/

networking opportunities between SPRINT groups.

  • It would have been nice to have some

more time to talk with the other teams in a social setting

  • Cohort 2:
  • There needs to be more time for

groups to work together during the initial session.

  • Additional cross-team small group

activities might be helpful

  • we’re a bunch of experts here as well.

And we didn’t get to capitalize on learning from one another. It was a missed opportunity.

*Note: response options differed slightly in the two versions of the survey

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Timing of Course/Target Trainees

  • It may be better [for] younger researchers who have not yet developed an

intervention

  • This training is a bit late for people who are already in the middle of an R01. It would

be ideal for people with funded R21s or even for people in the grant development stage.

  • It feels like a bit of a shame that [this kind of training] doesn’t happen earlier
  • There isn’t as much learning on how to figure out how your intervention that you’re

thinking about is going to fit out in the world. It’s almost like this [course] shouldn’t be on the back end of your training- it should be way in the front- not only in your training as a scientist- but [when you get] money from NCI- what are you going to do with that? “Oh. I’m going to write a paper.” “No, what are you going to do with the intervention?” You can’t really know until you know who you’re seeking to intervene with- and what do they actually need.

*Note: response options differed slightly in the two versions of the survey

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Course Improvements

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Course Adjustments

Implemented

  • Provide money as an award rather than a supplement
  • Obtain a blanket IRB exemption for all SPRINT interviews
  • Provide more information to participants prior to the course/during application process
  • Made mentors explicitly optional, allowed additional team members to reduce burden
  • Added some informal social networking time and opportunities to talk to SPRINT alumni
  • Restructured the kick-off meeting schedule to reduce commuting time

Under Discussion

  • Adjusting the way the flipped classroom model works in practice
  • Scheduling more classes/prep work prior to the kick-off meeting
  • Tailoring content to be more relevant to behavioral scientists
  • Adjusting course content to focus more on skills and concepts less familiar to researchers
  • Exploring different, more engaging and/or efficient formats for the webinar lectures
  • Providing participants with support in terms of next steps
  • Organizing a networking/speed dating event with entrepreneurs
  • Having a mentor-in-residence
  • Expanding eligibility requirements
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Barriers to Commercialization

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Conflict between academic & entrepreneurial identity

  • Edmund asked us on the first day, “Do you want to create a business at the end of

this?” and all of us were kind of looking at him like, “What?” because we’ve invested so many years being academics… do you want us to abandon the long pursuit

  • f an academic career to build a business? [that] sounds threatening actually
  • I don’t want to be an entrepreneur. I didn’t go into academia to become an

entrepreneur- here was always that friction [with] thinking about developing a business- that’s not my goal- that’s not what I want... My dissemination plans are going to be a whole lot different now. And that’s exciting. It will be unique and innovative and that will be fun - but it’s not going to be about starting a business. I like my day job.

  • [starting a business] isn’t why I got into this- at the same time I spent [a long

time] developing this intervention. I would like it to make it out to the real world to help people…

  • When I started the course I was like, “Why am I here?” I’ve always despised

business…I was so science oriented. But in public health the two have to come together…This course really reaffirms those things.

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Time constraints

  • a gap is “how do I wed my day job with the potential for this”? Do I just throw the

intervention out there to someone else? Something we’ve spent years investing in? Or do I try to take on a new hat? …it would be nice to have some models as to how someone does that.

  • We do have a viable product. But we are not a viable team to deliver that product. We

all have day jobs. I have other businesses. It’s just not going to happen as a team. And so the question is - do I have a product? or a viable business? they are two different things.

  • If I wanted to do dissemination…who is going to run it? I can’t spend 50% of my time

and effort to do that. [I would need to] bring in a post-doc [to do it]… and get little, tiny grants to slowly and incrementally build this up... But that’s how you get to 14 years before it gets to practice. If the goal is really to speed these interventions into practice, then we need more support to do that.

  • This experience made me realize that the confines of our job as academic researchers

make it difficult for us to take that next step and get it out to market. So I feel like now I know where I need to go- but I also know that I can’t necessarily do it and keep my day job… to survive in academia you need 3 grants and manage them…the time that it’s going to take to really do this start up - I would really have to leave my job.

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Realities of academia & research

  • Even with dissemination grants, at the end of the day to get promoted or tenure, I need

a project that’s going to get me publications to get me more grants…a dissemination grant is not going to get me the number of publications, it’s not going to get me an R25 grant. It’s only going to bring in 8% of the revenue… that’s the stuff that matters

  • [You’d have to change] the structure of what you have to do to get tenure
  • you can write a grant [to do dissemination]. You can fund yourself. You can pay your

community partners. [But] If I’m doing a business I’m the one trying to find customers and paying… salespeople…and marketing people. …I’m directly on the hook for

  • everything. Whereas with a grant I already have this infrastructure that’s built in…
  • Even if I wanted to do a business, I just can’t see how it would work without some

sort of support. If we could get grants to pay for our effort towards building a startup and that was somehow legal (maybe SBIRs/STTRs work like that, I’m not sure). But if I could keep my day job and not have to do that and this on the side- which doesn’t work - that would be really great. But it’s going to take a restructuring and probably an investment from people who are interested in research actually getting out there- to buy out researchers’ time

  • I still feel like there [is a] lack of real world understanding on NCI’s side on how to

provide support.

  • [If] the structure of your R01 changed and allowed a year of dissemination support,

that would make a difference…Because then you’d have a year to focus on it.

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Lack of support from Tech Transfer offices

  • We actually did pursue a grant at our university [through a university venture

fund]…and their feedback was, “We’ve never seen anything like this. You guys are unconventional - and most likely you won’t get funded.” However, he sat and he listened to us. He thought it was interesting and innovative. But he said basically that the people reviewing the grant are not familiar with this and he hadn’t seen anyone come forth with social/behavioral interventions. So I don’t think they’re ready.

  • I have experience with several technology transfer offices at different universities.

And my experience is…if it is not a device - or a drug - or a patentable process- you kind of get shuffled aside to the “c-team” - not even the “b-team.” And again, I’ll say- legitimately so. Their job is to extend the value of the university and there’s really not significant financial value in the work we do - from their perspective - unless it’s

  • n a clear path to licensing technology, essentially… from a financial standpoint, it’s

not worthwhile for the tech transfer office. They want to license technology for someone whose going to pay good money for it.

  • We did have a meeting with our tech transfer office. They were all very helpful… they’re

going to help us protect our intellectual property.

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D&I and Commercialization

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D&I vs. Commercialization

  • I kept thinking, “This exists already for behavioral medicine. This is implementation science. I

don’t understand the value of using the language for business even though they’re getting

  • ut pretty much the same thing… there are papers and curriculum and models that would

potentially serve us better… Most people don’t want to start a business… these implementation models that are out there end up getting to the same place this course got us, but a little bit more behavioral research friendly.

  • I wonder if dissemination does get you to the same place- because you’re going to have different

end users if you’re working on a dissemination project versus if you’re working on a commercialization project…

  • the purpose of D&I research is generating knowledge- not generating businesses
  • having had some of my work funded through D&I - it’s very science-heavy/theory-driven, not

what we’re doing [in this course]. D&I feels very different than what we’re doing here…this feels like sustainability and commercialization.

  • [there] is a meaningful difference and it is more than the terminology – [it’s] the general

philosophy or orientation. We were talking about how your competitors could get at the idea first… or why did your customers go to somebody else… this is philosophically so different from our idea of “I want to support this population- and yes- I hope there are competitors who will be cheaper”…So, it’s not just the terminology, it’s also “what’s our end goal?” … It’s very different when you’re thinking about, “I’m going to build a company based on this intervention” versus “I hope my intervention gets picked up by a health care system so that we can improve outcomes.” They can have some common goals, but philosophically, they’re quite different.

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How SPRINT can compliment D&I

  • I don’t think D&I is answering the questions that need answering so that we can actually

commercialize and disseminate

  • I feel like dissemination and implementation research are totally missing this stakeholder

engagement aspect... it feels like those are two different roles and I don’t know why they’re not

  • verlapping
  • There’s what we all do [research]- and there’s business. And I think you’re talking about

that world in-between - that is the bridge. [and now] we’re ready to work through that... Do we need to trademark a name… do we open an LLC to do our consulting... it’s been really important to shift things forward so we continue to pursue research but are also able to simultaneously move towards commercialization.

  • at the end of the day, when the money runs out, what happens? What if you don’t get the NIH

grant? How are you going to sustain yourself? it is important to consider that sustainability often times may not come from that NIH grant…we have to think of different avenues of revenue in order to continue the work that we’re trying to do.

  • Although we don’t want to make money (and we probably can’t make money with this),

learning the skills about how to…scale it up and how to get it out there, and maybe some [ways] we can cover our costs…Our next [step] is a big effectiveness study in the real

  • world. And I think this was critical towards that step. I feel like it’s the right order to do

this in…now moving into dissemination science (which I don’t have training in), I feel much better equipped to move in that direction having this training.

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