Midnigh ght? ? 6 PM? ? Sunse set? ? Sunrise? se? Noon? ? - - PowerPoint PPT Presentation
Midnigh ght? ? 6 PM? ? Sunse set? ? Sunrise? se? Noon? ? 1 A Moment of Gratitude 1) Thank you to Brother Garrick for the privilege to present this topic at his Sabbath gathering. 2) Thank you to Timothy Astleford for digging into his
Midnigh ght? ? 6 PM? ? Sunse set? ? Sunrise? se? Noon? ?
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1) Thank you to Brother Garrick for the privilege to
2) Thank you to Timothy Astleford for digging into
3) And, a thank you to whoever it was (an Adventist
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Many Adventist’s believe that Ellen G White gave us the truth on the
commencement of the day – as sunset. (While I had not really thought about it seriously, when this idea was presented to me, I sort of thought that likely was the truth.)
Right after their August 30th wedding in 1846, James & Ellen White learned of
the Sabbath truth in the early fall, through the teachings of Captain Joseph Bates.
From the fall of 1846 to Nov 1855, the early pioneers observed the Sabbath
from 6 PM Friday evening to 6 PM Saturday evening.
At a Sabbath Conference on Nov 17, 1855, Captain Joseph Bates read a study
paper (for the divine Sabbath service) prepared by J N Andrews showing that Andrews believed the Sabbath did not begin at 6 PM on Friday, but rather at sunset.
Of the very few ministers that were gathered together for this Sabbath
Conference, the decision was made to take a vote on the matter immediately after the reading of the study.
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Result: A majority vote spoke to change the commencement of the Sabbath
from 6 PM on Friday to sunset on Friday, and to implement this immediately. The Sabbath was closed that day at sunset rather than 6 PM.
Problem: Two votes did not agree … Captain Joseph Bates and Ellen G White! Concern: Most were not worried about what Captain Bates thought, but they
were troubled by Mrs White’s negative vote.
Result: At the end of the conference a few days later Mrs White was given a
very lengthy vision – at which time she took the opportunity to ask her attending angel about the supposed confusion over the commencement of the
1 T 116.) That very day, in 1855, the vision was written out for everyone to read – and printed in the Advent Review & Sabbath Herald in the next issue, for distribution to all their flock scattered hither and yon.
Answer: The angel gave a very clear answer to Mrs White’s question!
However, the male pioneers in attendance at that conference did NOT pay attention to the content carefully, nor did they read in context. They simply made some very hasty assumptions, which are still being taught today.
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Second Sabbath Vision Given on Nov 20, 1855: (1 Testimonies, p. 116.)
I saw that it is even so: "From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath." Said the angel: "Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet." Said the angel: "If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject." I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at "even," and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together.
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Who said these words? I saw that it is even so: "From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath."
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What was the homework given by the angel? Said the angel: "Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and
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Did Ellen White understand that homework? No she didn’t! In fact the whole issue of “new light on the Sabbath commencement time” troubled her. It became an intense paradigm shift that she could not understand!
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Ellen White inquired further of the angel about why they had to make such a huge change in this area. Next, the angel speaks: Said the angel: "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet." Said the angel: "If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject."
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[by Captain Bates & Ellen White] that even was at six.
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Where is the issue of “sunset” addressed by the angel?
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Did the angel give any clues as to the Biblical truth of the matter? (Read carefully!)
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Did the pioneers (including Ellen White) actually take the time to complete the homework? If not, why not? If they did complete the homework, where can their studies be located?
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DID YOU KNOW? This is the very vision Adventism has used since Nov 20, 1855 to confirm that Friday sunset is the commencement of the Sabbath!
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This is exactly what happened to our pioneers and
Sunday was not the Biblical Sabbath, but it was Saturday.
should have made. Do you know what it was?
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This study may challenge you, just as we were challenged in 2010.
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Some will accept the Paradigm Shift more easily than others.
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The more you understand through Scripture, the easier it is to understand the shift that is forthcoming.
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Understanding must be supported with:
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A complete Biblical study from cover to cover that includes a solid witness in the life of our Messiah.
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A complete study of secular history to determine how “sunset” was ever introduced into the tribe of Judah.
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For Adventists: A complete study of pioneer history to understand why “sunset” was accepted rather than following the angel’s homework.
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We must learn to challenge every belief that we hold dear, to see if indeed it can be Biblically supported.
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morning were the first day.”
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Will our Saviour’s WORDS align with the Torah? His parable teachings?
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Will the Messiah’s ACTIONS in His “life” align with Torah?
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Will the ACTIONS in His “death, burial & resurrection” align with Torah?
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Is our Messiah our final witness?
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Note: Those are the four categories that are planned for presentations in their order. If we don’t get through everything planned today, we’ll continue the study at the next time of meeting.
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We will learn to read the content of the Scriptures very carefully.
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We will learn to read in context.
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We will learn to pay attention to grammar.
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We will learn to keep the events of the Bible stories in order, according to the order of the verses.
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We will learn to use our logic and common sense more than ever before.
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We will remember our belief that there is not one idle word in Scripture – that everything is written according to Divine Inspiration, and for the edification of truth.
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We will learn how to use the Hebrew (and Greek) definitions properly, and consistently.
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We will expect (and insist) to establish at least 2-3 firm witnesses to establish this new truth.
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We will expect the “sunset tradition” to be clearly exposed for the darkness that it represents.
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We will understand the fuller restoration of “the Sabbath” according to the Torah, the Prophets, and our Saviour.
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Question breaks will be given through the presentation to allow the listeners on the live program to interact in the discussion. Or, questions can be emailed to either Charlene Fortsch or Tim
provided on the last 2 slides of this power point.
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Only those who have been diligent students of
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The only true way to search the Scriptures is to
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It is clear by these quotes that we are to investigate the Scriptures with an open mind, devoid of “every prejudice” and “every preconceived opinion” we may have developed throughout life; and, we are to “cling to the Bible and the Bible only.” Are we willing to do that today? Again we read from Manuscript 8a, 1888:
God is presenting to the minds of men divinely appointed
precious gems of truth, appropriate for our time. God has rescued these truths from the companionship of error, and has placed them in their proper frame-work. When these truths are given their rightful position in God's great plan, when they are presented intelligently and earnestly, and with reverential awe, by the Lord's servants, many will conscientiously believe because of the weight of evidence, without waiting for every supposed difficulty which may suggest itself to their minds, to be removed.--Manuscript 8a, 1888.
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Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room.
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Lucifer, God’s adversary, has usurped the worship the Creator deserves by convincing us through human agencies, the idea that “sunset commencement for Sabbath” is correct, and midnight is error. The modern 24 hour day begins at midnight – according to Rome. Most Jews and Sabbatarians commence their Sabbaths precisely at the moment of Friday evening sunset – according to what the Jews have honored for centuries. This is likely because most have been convinced the Jews have been admirable keepers of the Holy Oracles, including the correct commencement time for the Sabbath (or any day of the week for that matter). However, Scripture clearly reveals when the day begins.
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“sunset” – just before the night phase begins.
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1. To the majority of the world, it certainly doesn’t matter. 2. To the lukewarm Christians, it doesn’t seem to matter. 3. To those who search the Scriptures for truth, it DOES matter when the Sabbath begins.
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(For illustration purposes only: The 14th day of the 1st month of Abib will be randomly chosen as the day that Abram offered these sacrifices. We’ll see in another study if that date is in fact honorable.)
Gen 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
Note: Most birds go to roost when the darkness approaches. We know that God has the power to quiet the birds and keep them away from the bloody sacrifices while Abram is in a deep sleep. However, this verse may also be giving details as to the actual time during the 24 hour cycle of this day.
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Gen 15:13-16 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
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Please note the Forward Progressive Movement in the chart. From Gen 15:10 to verse 18, all the events are in perfect order.
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In comparison to the DAWN Chart, there doesn’t seem to be a problem. However, this chart does not include verse 18 yet!
This is the 1st Sunset Chart. The events of Gen 15:10-16 are still aligning with the Forward Progressive Movement that we are looking for.
a) Adding verse 18 to the Sunset Chart completely destroys the Forward Progressive Movement
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b) The Night Season of Abib 14 was first used for Abram’s first vision to count the stars! Then, how can the smoking furnace and burning lamp pass between the sacrifices on the same Night Season of Abib 14, when Abram has not offered them yet?
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