RESULTS OF PUBLIC CONSULTATION
De sc r iption R e sult Atte nde d a nd Sig ne d- in to Ope n House 32 Submitte d Wr itte n Comme nts dur ing or a fte r Ope n House 26 Ove r a ll In fa vour of tr a il 24 Ove r a ll Oppose d to T r a il 2 In F a vour of T r a il on Nor th Side of R ive r side Dr ive 8 In F a vour of T r a il on South Side of R ive r side Dr ive 8 Comme nt R e sponse T he y would pr e fe r fe we r r
- a d c r
- ssing s – pr
e fe r nor th side Ag r e e d – fe we r r
- a d c r
- ssing a r
e pr e fe r a ble but the y ha ve ope n site line s. T he y r e quir e the pe de str ia n or c yc list to stop be for e c r
- ssing
Conc e r n a bout c a r s ba c king out of dr ive wa ys
- n nor
th side Ag r e e d – sig ht line s a r e muc h mor e diffic ult on the nor th side T
- o ma ny hydr
- pole s on south side
Disa g r e e – no hydr
- pole s a r
e to be r e - loc a te d T he r e would be le ss disr uption on the south side Disa g r e e – a lthoug h the r e a r e mor e dr ive wa ys
- n the nor
th side , most of the m a nd most of the la ndsc a ping stops a t the pr
- pe r
ty line . On the south side , ma ny dr ive wa ys a nd some of the la ndsc a ping e xte nd to the roa d e dg e a nd will ha ve to be c ut a nd r e move d so the pa th c a n be insta lle d. Conse que ntly, we c onside r the r e to be mor e disr uption to la ndsc a ping a nd dr ive wa ys on the south side . L
- ss of pa r
king spa c e s Ag re e – on both nor th a nd south side s, but the se a r e in the r ig ht- of- wa y Don’t wa nt to ma inta in g r a ss be twe e n r
- a d
a nd tr a il on south side Note d – but this is subje c t to munic ipa l polic ie s Would pr e fe r bike la ne s on r
- a ds inste a d of
tr a il Note d – but this is me a nt to be a multi- use tr a il Diffic ult to c r
- ss R
ive r side Dr . a t Ma nning Disa g r e e – r
- unda bout is c onfig ur
e d for pe de str ia n c r
- ssing . No ma tte r
wha t side the tr a il is on, pe ople fr
- m the othe r
side ne e d to c r
- ss. Howe ve r
, if it’s on the south side , pe ople
- n the nor
th side still ha ve use of the side wa lk South side tr a il would a lig n with tr a ils to e a st a nd we st Ag r e e d Doe sn’t wa nt tr e e s r e move d to ma ke wa y for tr a il Ag r e e d – only 2 tr e e s to be r e move d on south side a nd both a r e in poor c ondition
REPRESENTATIVE COMMENTS RESULTING FROM PULIC CONSULTATION
Comme nt: T hir ty- two inte r e ste d sta ke holde r s a tte nde d a nd sig ne d in to the public ope n house . Ove r a ll, a la r g e ma jor ity of the a tte nde e s we r e in fa vourof the tr a il a nd would like to se e it pr
- c e e d. Atte nde e s we r
e e ve nly split on whe the r the tr a il should be loc a te d on the south or nor th side of R ive r side Dr ive . Some of the c omme nts r e c e ive d a r e fa c tua l a nd some a r e not. Se e r e sponse s pr
- vide d in
ta ble .
Ite m Nor th Side South Side
R e mova ls 131,235 94,564 Adjust/ R e loc a te Site F e a tur e s 112,100 26,980 Ne w Wor k 441,999 444,518 R e stor a tion 144,404 110,987 Constr uc tion T
- ta l
829,738 677,049 De sig n Conting e nc y (10% ) 82,973 67,704 Constr uc tion Conting e nc y (10% ) 82,973 67,704 Mobiliza tion a nd T ra ffic Control 30,000 30,000 Pr
- je c t T
- ta l
1,025,686 842,458 Comme nt: T he “ne w wor k” c ost of the tr a il is a bout the sa me whe the r it’s insta lle d on the nor th
- r
south side of R ive r side Dr ive . Howe ve r , the r e is a sig nific a nt diffe r e nc e in the c ost of r e mova ls, a djustme nts or r e loc a tions of e xisting site ite ms, a nd r e stor a tion. Ove r a ll, the r e is a sa ving s of a bout $175,000 if the tr a il is c onstr uc te d on the south side of R ive r side Dr ive .
COST ESTIMATE COMPARISON
Comme nt R e sponse Conne c tivity to ne ig hbour hood to the South is impor ta nt Ag r e e d – be st a c hie ve d by tr a il on south side Conc e r n with dr a ina g e issue s/ flooding of tr a il
- n nor
th side Ag r e e d – this is a diffic ult pr
- ble m on the nor
th side T r a il would pr
- vide for
pe de str ia ns on south side – none now Ag r e e d – a nd nor th side would still have side wa lk Ac c e ssing tr a il will r e quir e c r
- ssing R
ive r side Dr ive Ag r e e d – r e g a rdle ss if it is wha t side the tr a il is, r e side nts fr
- m the othe r
side will have to c r
- ss –
howe ve r, if tr a il is on the south side , pe ople on the nor th side c a n wa lk a long the side wa lk to a sa fe c r
- ssing point.
Che a pe rto le a ve nor th side a lone a nd build
- n south
Ag re e – le ss e xpe nsive on the south side Nor th side side wa lk in poor r e pa ir – tra il would r e pla c e it Ag re e Whe r e is the mone y c oming fr
- m?
Note d – Subje c t to 2018 Ca pita l Wor ks Pla n Inc r e a se d lia bility for pr
- pe r
ty owne r s – diffic ult to se e r ide r s Note d– Pe r ha ps r isk is a be tte r wor d – sig ht line s muc h mor e r e str ic te d on nor th side – mor e r isk. T ra il too c lose to the r
- a d
Note d – but tr a il pla c e me nt is impa c te d by the a mount of la nd a va ila ble Should be pa r t of a tota l r e c onstr uc tion of the r
- a d
Note d Ca n’t wa it to use the tr a il! Ple a se e nsur e g ood sig ht line s Ag r e e d – mor e ope n site line s on the south side E xc e lle nt ide a … hope it g e ts done Note d I a m ve r y e xc ite d a bout this tr a il … Note d Be zair e Partne r s
Planners, Landscape Architects
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3514 Walker Rd., Unit 1A Windsor, ON N8W 3S4 p: 519 966 6844 f: 519 966 4088 gbezaire@bezaire.ca
We note tha t the following issue s we r e found to be sig nific a nt in for mula ting our r e c omme nda tion: 1. T he r e a r e fe we r r e loc a te s, a djustme nts, a nd pote ntia l c onflic ts with tr e e s on the south side . Sig nific a nt issue s inc lude the la r g e numbe r
- f tr
e e s tha t will impa c t the width of the tr a il, r e duc ing it fr
- m 2.5m wide to 1.2m wide a t se ve n loc a tions. T
he r e a r e a lso 18 fir e hydr a nts to be move d a nd se ve r a l mor e c a tc h ba sins to be r e loc a te d on the nor th side . T he c ost of the se is r e fle c te d in the r e duc e d c ost for the south side . 2. Dra ina g e from a dja c e nt re side ntia l pr
- pe r
tie s will typic a lly dra in onto a nd a c ross the tr a il. On the nor th side , the tr a il would be r ig ht a t the pr
- pe r
ty line a nd the r e would be little pote ntia l to inte r c e pt dr a ina g e . In or de r to dr a in a ny wa te r tha t c r
- sse s the tr
a il, the e ntir e r
- a d shoulde r
would ha ve to be r e - g r a de d to dir e c t wa te r to c a tc h ba sins. On the south side , the r e is g e ne r a lly mor e spa c e for dr a ina g e a nd le ss wor k r e quir e d. 3. T he e xisting side wa lk on the nor th side a lr e a dy floods in a r e a s be c a use of wa te r fr
- m the
a dja c e nt pr
- pe r
tie s a nd r
- a d. A wide r tr
a il will inc re a se the pote ntia l for flooding on the nor th side . T he r e is muc h le ss c ha nc e of flooding on the south side . 4. L
- c a ting the tr
a il on the south side a nd the r e by le a ving the e xisting the side wa lk on the nor th side me a ns tha t the a r e a will be ne fit fr
- m ha ving pe de str
ia n tr a ffic a long both side s
- f the r
- a d.
5. T he r e is a hig h r isk of ve hic ula r / pe de str ian/ bic yc le c onflic t whe n ve hic le s a r e ba c king out
- f dr
ive wa ys. On the nor th side , the tr a il would be ve r y ne a r the pr
- pe r
ty line a nd the sig ht line s would be r e str ic te d by e xisting la ndsc a ping , he dg e s, a nd fe nc e s. T he site line s on the south side a r e mor e ope n. 6. L
- c a ting the tr
a il on the south side would c ost a ppr
- xima te ly $150,000 le ss tha n the c ost
inc ur r e d on the nor th side . 7. L
- c a ting the tr
a il on the south side line s it up with e xisting tr a ils to the e a st a nd we st. 8. By loc a ting the tr a il on the south side , it will be e a sily a c c e sse d not only by r e side nts on the south side of the r
- a d, but by r
e side nts in ne ig hbour hoods to the south. R e side nts on the north side will ha ve the option of wa lking a long the e xisting side wa lk a nd the n c rossing R ive r side Dr ive a t a sa fe loc a tion. 9. T he r e is like ly to be le ss disr uption to ne ig hbours if the tr a il is built on the nor th side sinc e the r e a r e fe we r dr ive wa ys to be c ut, le ss la ndsc a ping in the r ig ht- of- wa y, a nd we a r e g e ne ra lly pe rc e ive d to be working in the ir “bac k yar d”. Re side nts on the south side will g e ne r a lly pe r c e ive us to be wor king in the ir “fr
- nt ya r
d”. Howe ve r , we be lie ve tha t r e a sona ble a c c ommoda tion c a n be ma de for a ny disr uption.
- 10. L
- c a ting the tr
a il on the south side r e sults in the ne e d for se ve r a l r
- a d c r
- ssing s. While it
would be be tte r to a void the se , the y g e ne ra lly ha ve g ood sig ht line s, ve hic le s will be dr iving for wa r d, a nd the inte r se c tions c a n be de sig ne d sa fe ly. While the r e a r e no r
- a d
c r
- ssing s on the nor
th side , the sig ht line s a t dr ive wa ys on the nor th side a r e r e str ic te d a nd some c a r s a r e ba c king out of the dr ive wa ys. Ite m Nor th South L e ng th of Pa th 2,050 (m) 2,180 (m) Dr ive wa y Cr
- ssing s
86 68 R
- a d Cr
- ssing s
12 Conflic ts with tr e e s 7 2 F ir e Hydr a nts to be r e - loc a te d 18 Utility/ L ig ht Pole s to be r e - loc a te d Ca tc h Ba sins to be r e loc a te d 24 8 Ca tc h Ba sins to be a djuste d 14 1 Ma nhole s to be a djuste d 5 5 Wa te r Va lve s to be a djuste d 4 1 L a ndsc a pe F e nc e Conflic ts 6
COMPARISON OF QUANTITIES OF WORK AND/OR POTENTIAL CONFLICTS
Comme nt: While the tr a il is slig htly long e r
- n the south side , the r
e a r e mor e c onstr uc tion r e la te d issue s on the nor th side . T he r e loc a tion of fir e hydr a nts a nd c a tc h ba sins for e xa mple c a n be quite e xpe nsive . Sinc e the T
- wn pr
e fe r s to not r e move tr e e s, the r e a r e se ve n loc a tions
- n the north side whe re the width of the tr
a il will be c ompromise d (r e duc ing fr
- m 2.5m wide to
1.2m) to pre se rve the tr e e s. E ve n the n, it is like ly tha t the tr e e s will be g in to de c line due to the impa c t of c onstruc tion a nd e ve ntua lly will ha ve to be re move d. In e a c h c a se , the e xisting tr e e s a r e pr e se ntly in g ood c ondition. While we will ha ve to r e move two tr e e s on the south side , the se tr e e s a r e unde r e xisting
- ve r
he a d wir e s a nd the he a ds ha ve be e n se ve r e ly tr imme d. T he y a r e in poor c ondition a nd should be r e move d. T he r e is a ppr
- xima te ly 25% mor
e dr ive wa y c r
- ssing s on the nor
th side , but no r
- a d c r
- ssing s.
R
E COMME NDAT ION
Base d on our analysis of the de sig n, the r e sults of the public c onsultation, and the c ompar ative c osts and ke y issue s, we re c omme nd that the propose d multi- use trail be aligne d along the south side of Rive rside Drive e aste rly from the T e c umse h Windsor borde r to the we st limit of Ma nning Rd.
SUMMARY OF KEY ISSUES
- Mtg. 1