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Feeling in or out? Students' perspectives on learning support at secondary school. Jude MacArthur and Vijaya Dharan Massey University, Palmerston North Gill Rutherford University of Otago, Dunedin Aotearoa, NZ Learning Support in Secondary


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Feeling in or out? Students' perspectives on learning support at secondary school.

Jude MacArthur and Vijaya Dharan Massey University, Palmerston North Gill Rutherford University of Otago, Dunedin Aotearoa, NZ

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Learning Support in Secondary Schools: Using students' perspectives to transform teacher practice 2 secondary schools Community of Practice

  • 4-6 subject teachers in Yrs 7 -11 (11-15 yr old

students)

  • Learning Support staff
  • 3 researchers

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Student perspectives

  • n their

learning support Share student perspectives and plan for teaching in the community

  • f practice

Initiate changes to teaching and learning and student support Collect student and teacher data

  • n the

effects of the changes Evaluate the effects of changes in the community

  • f practice

and start second cycle

Action research cycle

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Index for Inclusion: student interview questions

What are the things that help you to learn best in the classroom? (teachers, peers, teacher aides)

  • Peers – tell me about when you learn with your

classmates, when you work together

  • I have some good friends.
  • In lessons children often help each other in pairs and

small groups.

  • In lessons children share what they know with other

children.

  • Children are interested in listening to each other’s

ideas.

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I go got a lot lot of

  • f fri

friends nds he here, th there’s a lot lot mo more fun fun th thin ings to to do do ar arou

  • und sch

chool, an and it it’s wa way funne funner co cos yo you ge get to to muck ck ar arou

  • und duri

during ng cl class – so some meti time mes, s, no not all all th the time time. An And it it’s lik like re really go good an and th the teach chers ar aren’t th that se seri rious us all all th the time time.

St Student 1

I I lik like e sc scho hool. I I lik like e sc scho

  • hool. So

Sometimes. s.

I I don’t rea eally like e it at times

  • es. The

e peo eople e her ere, e, and some e teach chers aren’t liked, but – I I dunno dunno. . … It’s s OK, , but but so some meti time mes s I do don’t n’t like it. t. It’s not my place ce.

St Student B B

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[Teach chers] could explain better, cos half the time they ex explain in a rush cos they want to get the learning done. … … Th Then th they y get t lots lots of

  • f question

tions s an and th they y get t an annoyed an and say “Ju Just t go

  • an

and do

  • it!

it!”

St Student C C

I I usually ha have to wait qui quite a whi while – so so ma many y othe ther r people [need help from the teach cher].

St Student D

Wh What I I don’t lik like e ab about school. l.

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Wh What I I don’t lik like e ab about school. l.

  • [I get] bullied at school – a lot. I tried to tell teachers, but

they wouldn’t really do a lot of stuff. They said to ignore it, but I can’t, cos I’m so sensitive, it’s hard.

Student B

  • The whole school system is mucked up now cos of
  • bullying. … Years 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 – that’s all the

years that have bullies in them. It goes from arguments to like, fist fighting at this school. Basically, the yelling, that will just happen when you're walking round school, then a fight will happen on the back of the field.

Student 1

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So Sometimes I I don’t do an anyth thin

  • ing. Stu

Student t 4

Ho How mu much of the content would you pick up in Ma Math ths, , while waiting for te teacher’s help? Ab

Abou

  • ut ha

half. . St

Student D D

[Wh When

n ask

asked ho d how m muc uch she h she unde understood o d of f cl class ss conten ent, t, B B re replied:]

A A qua quart rter r of f it.An

And th the o

  • th

ther th r thre ree q quart rters rs? ? Ju

Just th thin inkin king. I I dunno dunno, , it’s s like, , I coul uld d do do thi his s if f it was s easi sier r for r me me – de depe pends nds on n the he time

  • time. St

Student B B

Learning going well? I’m not sure. Cos I fail most of my

  • tests. Maths, Science – I get not achieved in all of
  • them. It’s all like closed book. If tests were open book,

could you do them? Probably. Student 1

Sc School: All about learning? g?

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Sc School: All about learning? g?

[Teaching needs to be] more interactive. Half the time I tune out because the teacher talks for half an hour and doesn’t clarify things, so then you’re sitting there confused … I like it when she writes on the board or draws on the board. … But lots of the teachers don’t, they just speak it. Some other teachers get grumpy when you ask questions…I get confused because I don’t understand, like, we’re doing something that seems pointless to me. I ask the teacher “why am I doing this?” “Because you have to.” I want some meaning to learning. … I understand I have to do it, but I need to know the point of it, for using in the real world. If the teacher explains why it would be helpful, then I’m fine, but normally teachers say “Just go and do the work.” Student C

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If If [teacher] i is h having a a g good d day, s she’ll e explain i it b better t than b bad days, a and y you c can t tell w whether a a t teacher’s h having a a b bad d day, c cos they’re e either g grumpy o

  • r j

just d don’t h help.

St Student C C

So Some people a are s scared t to a ask q questions, c cos t they g get s shouted a at by t the t teacher – the t teacher’s kind o

  • f g

grumpy so someti etimes. s.

St Student D D

[Groups a are] g good, c cos – no normally – someone h has l listened, o

  • r

understands t the t teacher, a and t then, b because t they u understand a and they k know h how y you l learn, t they c can e explain i it b better t than t the teacher, w who h has a a t thousand… Y Your f friends l learn [ [how y you learn], c cos n normally y you g go t through t the w whole s school w with t them from t the f first y year, w whereas t the t teacher, y you h have a a n new t teacher every y year, p pretty m much.

St Student C

Sc School: All about learning? g?

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Ba Basically, , I’m a slow learner, , so I get given work and then ex expected to finish it by nex ext period. Ho How w do does th the t teach cher r wo work wi with y h you? Ba Basically, , the teacher goes to everyone else and gets som someon eone i e in f for

  • r m

me, e, t to h

  • hel

elp m me w e with th m my w y wor

  • rk.
  • k. P

Peop eople f e from

  • m

Le Learning Support.

Student 1

Sc School: All about learning? g? Wh What would ld mak make e school l better er?

… fo for th the p e peop eople t e to b

  • be n

e nice t e to ea

  • each oth
  • ther

er … …Not

  • t bully

bully pe people ple.

Student 4

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UNCRC; UNCRPD; Index for Inclusion; NZ Disability Strategy Lens

  • Empower the child
  • Develop learning and other capabilities
  • Friendship, getting on well together
  • Confidence, feeling good about myself
  • Resilience
  • Determination
  • Dignity
  • Respect
  • Inclusive education
  • Receive required support
  • Protection from violence
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Community of practice

Significant barriers to learning:

  • unable to understand the

teacher, content, written word

  • unable to access help in a timely manner
  • teachers grumpy, have ‘bad days’
  • becoming disengaged

Space, voice, audience, influence?

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Community of practice

Students value:

  • A positive, respectful social climate free from

bullying (UNCRPD key priority)

  • RELEVANCE – teaching

approaches/materials/content/ teacher time that are responsive to their learning characteristics and interests

  • Diverse teaching approaches (not just ‘speaking’)
  • Group work
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Thank you

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References

  • Booth, T., and M. Ainscow. 2011. The Index for inclusion.

Developing learning and participation in schools. Bristol: The Centre for Studies in Inclusive Education.

  • Lundy, L. (2007). ‘Voice’ is not enough: conceptualising Article

12 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. British Educational Research Journal, 33 (6), 927–942

  • Ministry of Social Development (2016) New Zealand Disability

Strategy.https://www.odi.govt.nz/nz-disability-strategy/

  • United Nations. (1989). United Nations Convention on the

Rights of the Child. https://treaties.un.org/pages/viewdetails.aspx?src=treaty&mt dsg_no=iv-11&chapter=4&lang=en-title=UNTC-publisher=

  • United Nations. (2006). United Nations Convention on the

Rights of Persons with Disabilityhttp://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventio nfull.shtml

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