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Recognition of Initial Education Programmes in Guidance Counselling by the Department of Education and Skills Criteria and Guidelines for Programme Providers Penultimate Draft Main themes and key points arising from submissions Jennifer
Recognition of Initial Education Programmes in Guidance Counselling by the Department of Education and Skills Criteria and Guidelines for Programme Providers Penultimate Draft Main themes and key points arising from submissions
Directors of Studies of
Guidance Counselling (DSGC)
NUIM – Adult NUIM – Education TUI IGC AEGAI Former Presidents IGC Jennifer O’Rourke Ronny Swain Josephine McGread
NFQ – credits & contact hours Selection of Students Programme / Provider Staff Counselling in guidance counselling Competence & Learning outcomes Placement Assessment of Learning Other – e.g. sector specific
NFQ level 8 NFQ level 9 60 credits (ECTS) Professional practice - initial education and guidance
Not a research Masters programme Encourage to continue to post – qualification Masters
Timing – 1 or 2 years; Full time or Part time
Programme staff should be qualified guidance counsellors with
guidance counselling experience
Staff from outside State should have clear understanding of Irish
education system
Guidance Qualified staff not always feasible – other relevant
qualifications should apply – psychology / counselling / education ?
Clarification required between external staff in Provider institutions
and external agencies contracted by Providers
Issue of part time / contracted staff – should be experienced qualified
guidance counsellors
Concerns regarding requirement of level of qualification of Provider
staff and their relevant experience in guidance
Counselling as a core competence noticeably absent Counselling is a key activity of guidance counselling Reference made to Guidance and Counselling Reference to role of counselling in guidance within in
Include lifespan development and adult related
Labour market requirements 5 Competences / 7 competences / 8 Competences Too descriptive / More information required
Specific to career learning and development – not just
classroom
Need for group approaches , innovative approaches to
delivery e.g. Creative facilitation
Psychometric testing – is a competence in its own right –
different skill set for administration, feedback etc.
Psychometric Testing Level A and Level B training required
Minimum 2 days per week x 30 weeks = 60 days 30 days excessive Major and minor placement for variety of experience –
Industry placement - e.g. HR depts. Foundation for professional practice presented under
Assessment of placement – stating that student guidance
counsellor is ready for responsibility
Placement Mentor experience - 5 years may not currently
be feasible / 5 years experience essential
Clarity required on assessment and monitoring of
placement – e.g. role of Provider supervisor vs role of Mentor #
Mentor is not assessor / mentor part of assessment CPD for mentors necessary
Meet Academic requirements at NFQ 8 Assessment of placement – role of supervisor /
Learning journal/ portfolio / tape work Psychometric testing training and assessment Students attending counselling – mandatory / not
Counselling Skills assessment
Sector specific learning outcomes to include labour
market guidance provision
Request for clarification on how 8 competences were
chosen
Issues such as Ethical issues not covered in more detail Requests for required number of contact hours References made to the changing role of guidance
counsellor in education and adult guidance sectors
References to changes in resources / funding for guidance
and impact of same, example: mentors with experience now retired