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Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University July 19, 2014 Logic Colloquium 2014 Vienna University of Technology Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley


  1. Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University July 19, 2014 Logic Colloquium 2014 Vienna University of Technology Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  2. Main results In ZFC minus replacement : Theorem Let T be a simple first-order theory. Let M | = T and let A ⊆ B ⊆ | M | be sets. Let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . Then (inside some elementary extension of M ) there is a � ¯ � Morley sequence b i | i < ω for p over A . Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  3. Main results In ZFC minus replacement : Theorem Let T be a simple first-order theory. Let M | = T and let A ⊆ B ⊆ | M | be sets. Let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . Then (inside some elementary extension of M ) there is a � ¯ � Morley sequence b i | i < ω for p over A . Corollary (Independently proven by Tsuboi) In simple theories, forking is the same as dividing. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  4. Main results In ZFC minus replacement : Theorem Let T be a simple first-order theory. Let M | = T and let A ⊆ B ⊆ | M | be sets. Let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . Then (inside some elementary extension of M ) there is a � ¯ � Morley sequence b i | i < ω for p over A . Corollary (Independently proven by Tsuboi) In simple theories, forking is the same as dividing. In ZFC both results are well known, but we give a new proof that uses only axioms from “ordinary” mathematics. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  5. Main results In ZFC minus replacement : Theorem Let T be a simple first-order theory. Let M | = T and let A ⊆ B ⊆ | M | be sets. Let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . Then (inside some elementary extension of M ) there is a � ¯ � Morley sequence b i | i < ω for p over A . Corollary (Independently proven by Tsuboi) In simple theories, forking is the same as dividing. In ZFC both results are well known, but we give a new proof that uses only axioms from “ordinary” mathematics. This answers questions of Baldwin and Grossberg, Iovino, Lessmann. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  6. Why ZFC minus replacement? We want to avoid using “big” cardinals like � (2 | T | ) + (they are rarely used when the theory is stable ). Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  7. Why ZFC minus replacement? We want to avoid using “big” cardinals like � (2 | T | ) + (they are rarely used when the theory is stable ). The proofs usually give more information. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  8. Why ZFC minus replacement? We want to avoid using “big” cardinals like � (2 | T | ) + (they are rarely used when the theory is stable ). The proofs usually give more information. In our case, we obtain a new characterization of simplicity in terms of definability of forking (pointed out by Kaplan). Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  9. Why ZFC minus replacement? We want to avoid using “big” cardinals like � (2 | T | ) + (they are rarely used when the theory is stable ). The proofs usually give more information. In our case, we obtain a new characterization of simplicity in terms of definability of forking (pointed out by Kaplan). Harnik’s work on the reverse mathematics of stability theory. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  10. Why ZFC minus replacement? We want to avoid using “big” cardinals like � (2 | T | ) + (they are rarely used when the theory is stable ). The proofs usually give more information. In our case, we obtain a new characterization of simplicity in terms of definability of forking (pointed out by Kaplan). Harnik’s work on the reverse mathematics of stability theory. However, for convenience only, we will work inside a big saturated-enough monster model of a fixed first-order theory T . Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  11. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  12. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: 1 For all j < α , ¯ a j | = p . Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  13. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: 1 For all j < α , ¯ a j | = p . a j ′ | j ′ < j } ) does not fork over A . 2 For all j < α , tp(¯ a j / B ∪ { ¯ Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  14. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: 1 For all j < α , ¯ a j | = p . a j ′ | j ′ < j } ) does not fork over A . 2 For all j < α , tp(¯ a j / B ∪ { ¯ J is said to be a Morley sequence for p over A if: Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  15. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: 1 For all j < α , ¯ a j | = p . a j ′ | j ′ < j } ) does not fork over A . 2 For all j < α , tp(¯ a j / B ∪ { ¯ J is said to be a Morley sequence for p over A if: 1 J is an independent sequence for p over A . Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  16. Independent and Morley sequences Definition Let J := � ¯ a j | j < α � be a sequence of finite tuples of the same arity. Let A ⊆ B be sets, and let p ∈ S ( B ) be a type that does not fork over A . J is said to be an independent sequence for p over A if: 1 For all j < α , ¯ a j | = p . a j ′ | j ′ < j } ) does not fork over A . 2 For all j < α , tp(¯ a j / B ∪ { ¯ J is said to be a Morley sequence for p over A if: 1 J is an independent sequence for p over A . 2 J is indiscernible over B . Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  17. Some easy remarks If p does not fork over A , we can build an independent sequence J := � ¯ a j | j < α � for p by repeated use of the extension property. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  18. Some easy remarks If p does not fork over A , we can build an independent sequence J := � ¯ a j | j < α � for p by repeated use of the extension property. 2 | T | � + , we can then find a � If T is stable and α ≥ subsequence of J which is indiscernible, and hence Morley. Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  19. Some easy remarks If p does not fork over A , we can build an independent sequence J := � ¯ a j | j < α � for p by repeated use of the extension property. 2 | T | � + , we can then find a � If T is stable and α ≥ subsequence of J which is indiscernible, and hence Morley. If T is unstable, there need not be an indiscernible subsequence. But we can still build indiscernibles “on the side”: Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

  20. Fact (The indiscernible extraction theorem) Let B be a set. Let µ := � ( 2 | T | + | B | ) + , and let � ¯ a j | j < µ � be a sequence of finite tuples. Then there exists a sequence � ¯ � b i | i < ω , indiscernible over B such that: For any i 0 < . . . < i n − 1 < ω , there exists j 0 < . . . < j n − 1 < µ so that tp(¯ b i 0 . . . ¯ b i n − 1 / B ) = tp(¯ a j 0 . . . ¯ a j n − 1 / B ). Sebastien Vasey Carnegie Mellon University Indiscernible extraction and Morley sequences

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