Common Services Project Update February 27, 2015 Agenda for Todays - - PowerPoint PPT Presentation
Common Services Project Update February 27, 2015 Agenda for Todays - - PowerPoint PPT Presentation
Common Services Project Update February 27, 2015 Agenda for Todays Meeting Common Services Project Agenda Item Time Welcome and Introductions Overview of Upcoming Communication and 10:30 11:00 Engagement Activities Organizational
Agenda for Today’s Meeting
Common Services Project
Agenda Item Time
Welcome and Introductions
10:30 – 11:00
Overview of Upcoming Communication and Engagement Activities Organizational Readiness Team Common Services Presentation
11:00 – 12:00
Questions/Comments
Common Services Review – Background
A rapid assessment of the current state will be completed during the month of February; more detailed analysis will follow into Spring 2015
- The Government of New Brunswick kicked off the Common Services Review project
January 13, 2015
- In-scope services for this review are the key back office functions delivered by
NBISA, Facilicorp and/or government departments:
– Information Technology – Finance – Human Resources – Supply Chain
- The project team will be working to analyze how a broader shared services
- rganization could operate across government, with the intent of understanding what
savings and service improvements could be derived from such an endeavor
- The project will be leveraging all work completed to date on shared services in New
Brunswick (i.e. previous shared services analysis, lessons learned from NBISA / Facilicorp, any other pertinent studies or reports)
- The Province will also be drawing on expertise from Ernst & Young (EY) to assist
with business case development, benchmarking and detailed future state design.
Sub-Streams Project Management Office QA / Subject Matter Expertise Claude Francoeur Barbara Kieley Venkat Chandra Colleen Benson, PM Colin Bradley, PM Legend GNB EY Change Management/Engagement Carla Geldart Juliet Nicol Executive Steering Committee Gordon Gilman – Project Lead Kelly Cain – Human Resources Jean-Marc Dupuis – Finance Derrick Jardine - FacilicorpNB Christian Couturier - OCIO Andrea Seymour - Horizon Alain Bechard - Vitalité Strategic Program Review Committee Len Hoyt – Chair
Common Services – Project Team
DM / CEO Committee Gordon Gilman Executive Project Lead Steve Maynard E & Y Lead Finance Leads Dave Nowlan – Part I Venkat Chandra, EY HR Leads Lee Burry – Part I Juliet Nicol, EY Supply Chain Leads Jeff Trail – NBISA David Dumont – FacilicorpNB Peter Tonev, EY IT Leads Jill Ritchie - FacilicorpNB Pam Gagnon – NBISA Rob Arsenault – Part 1 Rhys Morgan, EY Renée Laforest – Health Kim Embleton – SD Dan Keenan – Horizon Ross Jefferson - FacilicorpNB Alain Bechard – Vitalité Amy Beswarick – DHR Joanne Stone – Health Mike Murray – PETL Josée Pelletier - FacilicorpNB Vicki Squires – Horizon Rejean Bedard – Vitalité Jaques Duclos - Vitalité Ann Dolan – FacilicorpNB Michel Levesque - FacilicorpNB Mark Gaudet – DTI Robert Penny – EECD Yvonne Samson – SD Rob Boyle - DGS Marc-Alain Mallet - DGS Ken Fitzpatrick – DGS/NBISA Joanne Lynch - DGS Rick Ouellette -(ECO Liz Byrne-Zwicker - NBISA Lachlan MacQuarrie-McLeod - JUS Philip Hawkins – FacilicorpNB Diane Nadeau - ECO IT Savings Group IT Investment Portfolio Group IT Long-term Plan Group IT Risk Group Subject Matter Experts representing each work stream
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Communication & Engagement
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Detail on Stakeholder Engagement Activity
A high level plan has been developed for customer and employee engagement over the next two
- months. A detailed plan will be continued to be built over the next week
Stakeholder groups (Parts I-IV) Customer / Employee Level and details on engagement Timeline (estimated) A DMs / CEOs / Presidents Customer
- 14 DMs have already been interviewed – those already
interviewed will be followed up with for a ‘deeper dive’
- DMs / CEOs / Presidents that have yet to be interviewed
will be asked questions consistent with those asked to the latter 14 individuals (one on one interviews
- Additional customized questions will be asked to obtain
relevant insight from the individuals
February 23 – March 30
B ADMs / VPs / COOs Employee
- Mode of engagement will be customized – two key
- ptions available:
- A. Focus / break out groups with 4-5 individuals; OR
- B. Workshop with entire group of ~20 individuals
March 13 – March 28
C Directors and below Employee
- Mode of engagement will be:
- large workshops to accommodate the volume of
stakeholders
- On-line activities (Arm-Chair Dialogues &
questionnaire) March 9 – March 28 Note: Several employee (IT Directors, HR Directors Part I) & customer (SEO, DM, ADM, VP Corporate) engagements and workshops, have taken place since January 2015
Week of Feb 16
- Memo from Clerk
- Launch of GNB SharePoint site
- Planning for face to face Engagement Sessions
Week of Feb 23
- Planning for face to face Engagement Sessions
- Feb 27 - Update Meeting - Common Services Leaders
- SharePoint – Status Update
Week of March 2
- Planning for face to face Engagement Sessions
- Finalize prep work for face to face Engagement sessions & on-line questionnaire
- Memo from Gordon to advise of upcoming sessions – sign up online for ENG or FR
Week of March 9
- Face to face Engagement Sessions
- Launch of on-line questionnaire
- March 13 - Leadership Dialogue – HR, Finance, IT & SC (all levels of management)
Week of March 16
- Face to face Engagement Sessions
- SharePoint – Status Update
Week of March 23
- Face to face Engagement Activities
- March 25 - Update Meeting - Common Services Leaders
March 30 to April 17
- Face to face Engagement Activities
- Organize “What We Heard” from each session
- Summarize by theme/stream and share with: Employees (SharePoint), PMO, Work Stream Leads,
Transition Teams
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Communication & Engagement Activities
SharePoint Update
- TODAY – E-mail message
with link to SharePoint following this meeting
- SharePoint additions today:
– Common Services Presentation – New Q&A’s
- Next week: Terms of
Reference
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Organizational Readiness
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People Process Engage Coach Inform Prepare
Strategic Organizational Readiness
Organizational Readiness Team
Goals
- Work through the senior Human Resources community
to inform and re-enforce work associated with the Strategic Program Review and Centralization Initiatives
- Led by DHR the Organizational Readiness Team will
plan for the active management of the potential and actual organizational changes.
- Enable and mobilize the HR community to manage
through large scale transitions
- Official link to the workforce through HR Directors
Deliverables
- Develop a clear path and identify milestones over the next three
years to ensure active management of organization readiness. Early on the Executive Working group will focus on strategic items eventually moving into a more tactical direction.
- Develop a framework and tracking mechanism for Departmental
Organization Readiness Plans
- Enhance the HR community capacity, preparedness and
expertise and support leadership development to enable the
- rganizational readiness
- Develop a comprehensive communications plan
- Develop a clear employee engagement plan in conjunction with
the communications plan
Deliverables
- Provide advice and guidance on organizational structure and
related processes for meeting the needs of the “new” structures
- Support the transition through labour relations - collective
agreement management, case law research and communication with the union
- Support the transition through the Workforce Adjustment
Strategy and enhance the workforce adjustment process to meet the current needs of the organization
- Support the transition through redeployment and enhance the
redeployment process to meet the current needs of the
- rganization
- Develop or revise Human Resource policies
Composition
- HR Directors
- DHR Directors and Subject Matter Experts
- NBISA
- Liaisons – Common Services, SPR, Opportunities NB, Enforcement and
Inspection etc.
Alignments to date
- Opportunities NB Corporate HR contact – Barbara LaPointe
- Aligning broader HR expertise to support the Enforcement and Inspection initiative –
Andrew Currie
- Centralization - HR working group – Lee Burry
- Organizational Readiness Planning team developed
- Change management development series:
– DM/ADMs – HR Directors / HR Community – Managers and Directors
Common Services Project
February 27, 2015
Standardization Variation and Duplication
TO
Strategic Evidence Based Decision Making Centre of Excellence Reactive Traditional Drivers Fragmented Teams
FROM
PEOPLE PROCESSES ORGANIZATION
Departmental Silos One Organization Generalists Multiple Leadership Structures Single Leadership Consistent and Equitable Service Subject Matter Experts Differing Levels of Service
“A world class model for government shared services.”
Outcomes
Meet Financial Targets
Contribute to a balance budget by fiscal year 2016-2017
Access to Services
Provide consistent and equitable services to internal customers to support their ultimate service delivery Enable greater and easier access to government services by citizens through technology Support health care improvements
Smarter Government
Reduction of information silos and duplicitous functions Improvement of business practices Innovation underpinned by adoption of modern technology solutions Reduced bureaucracy Greater transparency
Job Creation
Strategic investments in infrastructure that stimulate the economy and that make government more efficient Leverage purchasing where supported by business case
Guiding Principles
Respect the Official Languages Act
- Services provided will be of equal quality in both official languages.
Best Practices
- An evidenced-based approach to decision making will be utilized.
- Standardized systems and processes will be utilized to achieve smarter
government.
- Innovative, risk-managed approaches will be embraced.
Fair and Appropriate
- Appropriate distribution of service across all regions of NB.
- All stakeholders must be engaged and given an opportunity to provide input.
Customer-centric
- Customers will shape the organization’s future state.
Alignment
- Decisions compatible with Government’s three platform priorities: jobs, fiscal
responsibility, and families.
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Scope
- Oversight
- Strategic Program Review
Secretariat have been assigned
- versight
- Services
- IT, HR, Finance and Supply Chain
- Auxiliary Services (Laundries,
Clinical Eng., Translation, Print, etc.)
- Organizations
- Part I – NBISA, SNB, DGS,
FacilicorpNB & Business Units within Departments and Agencies
- Part II – School System
(consultation required)
- Part III – Health Sector
- Part IV – Crown Corporations
(consultation required)
Common Services IT HR Financial Services Supply Chain
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Auxiliary Services
Confirm landscape, understand scope, and set strategic direction for SSC operating model Identify root cause issues and rationalize options to develop roadmap and business case for change Design operating model blueprint in line with business case objectives Transform design blueprint into tangible
- perating model
Realize benefits and identify opportunities for continuous improvement
► Define Scope and
Opportunity
► Define Vision and
Strategy for SSC
► Collect Data ► Analyze and Develop
Options
► Develop SSC Business
Case
► Develop Specifications ► Develop Detailed Design ► Confirm Approach and
Benefits
► SSC Build ► Validate Implementation ► Implementation ► Stabilize ► Operate ► Optimize SSC Operating
Model
► Extend SSC
Designing and Building the Shared Services Operating Model Delivering and Improving the Shared Services Operating Model
► Potential SSC Scope ► Engage of Senior Exec’s ► Level of solutioning ► Starting position ► Scope of organizations
involved in data collection
► Level of resources ► Level of organization
engagement
► Level of improvements ► SSC Scope ► Level of customization ► Technology scope ► Confirm implementation
Plan
► Process/SSC Technology
scope
► Availability of resources ► Phasing of waves ► Size of organizations, etc ► Level of improvements
needed
► Scope of further changes,
new OM, location, technologies Objectives Stages
Phase 1 Identify Phase 4 Deliver Phase 5 Sustain Phase 3 Design Phase 2 Diagnose
Common Services Review – Methodology
The methodology to be adopted for the shared services review will deliver options and recommendations for the future, grounded in leading practices
Process Framework
The American Productivity and Quality Centre (APQC) Process Classification Framework (PCF) will be applied; variant frameworks will be leveraged as appropriate
8.1 Perform planning / management acct 8.2 Perform revenue accounting 8.3 Perform general accounting and reporting 8.4 Manage Fixed Asset Project Accounting 8.5 Process Payroll 8.6 Process AP expense reimbursements 8.7 Manage Treasury Operations 8.8 Manage Internal Controls 8.9 Manage Taxes 8.10 Manage International Funds/Consolidation 4.1 Supply Chain Planning 4.2 Procure materials and services 4.3 Produce/Manufacture/ Deliver product 4.4 Deliver product / service to customer 4.5 Manage logistics and warehousing 7.1 Manage the business
- f IT
7.2 Develop and manage IT customer relationships 7.3 Manage business resiliency and risk 7.4 Manage enterprise information 7.5 Develop and maintain IT solutions 7.6 Deploy information technology solutions 7.7 Deliver and support IT services 7.8 Manage IT knowledge 6.1 Develop / manage HR planning, policies 6.2 Recruit, source, and select employees 6.5 Redeploy and retire employees 6.6 Manage employee information 6.3 Develop and counsel employees
Level 1: Finance Level 1: IT
6.4 Reward and retain employees
Level 2 Level 2 Level 2 Level 2
Note that there is not a 1:1 relationship with the L2 end to end processes used in the Examination Report
Level 1: HR Level 1: Supply Chain
- Understand current state and identify
- pportunities
- Review and validate/develop business
cases
- High level operating model definition
- Develop high-level governance
structure
- Implementation Planning
February 2– March 30 April 1 – June 30 July + Understand current state and build business case and vision for change Rapid design and quick launch Implementation and transition II III
- Build of the centralized common services
- Validate implementation
- Implementation of designed initiatives
and transition
- Post-implementation stabilization
- Rapid detailed design of selected operating
model
- Organizational design
- Team sizing
- Business technology requirements to
enable future state
- Policy / regulatory changes to enable
the future state
- Finalize people transition plan for Part 1 of
consolidation
- Launch of quick savings initiatives
Project Management, Stakeholder Engagement, Change Management & Transition Management
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Current scope Confirm landscape, validate/build business case, develop and agree-on service delivery model and implementation plan Rapid design of service delivery model blueprint in line with business case
- bjectives, people transition plan and
launch of quick-savings opportunities Transform design blueprint into tangible service delivery model
Objectives Activities
Common Services Review – project approach and timeline
The methodology adopted for the services review delivery options and recommendations for the future, grounded by leading practices
- Collect and consolidate Level 1 FTE
and Non-FTE data (e.g. spend)
- Review existing documentation
- Understand current state service
delivery and technology landscape
- Understand legislative and regulatory
dependencies
- Develop / refine guiding principles
- Jurisdictional scan of common services
- Develop high level governance
structure options
- Identify quick savings opportunities
Understand current state and identify governance structure
- ptions
High level operating model definition Implementation Planning by service I(b) I(c)
- Review and approval of Business Case
financial assumptions by sector representatives*
- Development of implementation plan
(Consolidation and transition)
- Risk register and mitigation strategy
- Revised business case with additional
detail for the selected service model
- Labour / union engagement plan
- HR / labour risks and mitigation plans
- Workforce / people transition plan
- Financial management plan (e.g. plans to
transfer budget and assets)
- Common services funding model options
- Develop high level service delivery model
- ptions for each service based on best
practice
- Establish evaluation criteria to select preferred
service delivery mode
- Collect data to differentiate model options
- Hold enablement session to select preferred
models by applying evaluation criteria to select preferred models
- Develop Roles and responsibilities for each
service area (e.g. interaction models amongst services and between services and clients)
- Complete high-level business case and
governance structure recommendation
- Collect and compile Level 2 FTE and other
volumetric data
- To identify savings opportunities by work
stream
*Includes detailed assumptions around FTE and non-FTE costs (technology, training etc) and benefits.
Project Management, Stakeholder Engagement, Change Management & Transition Management
I(a) February 2 – February 23 February 23 – March 16 March 16 – March 30
Common Services Review – the next six weeks
To deliver a thorough review and analysis for all entities in scope, the following critical path has been developed to meet the project’s requirements 24
Deliverables Review – Delivery Plan to March 30, 2015
- February 23 (DM/CEO Committee)
– Current State
- Addressable Cost & FTE Base
- Service & Technology Landscapes
– Entity-Level Governance Options – Jurisdictional Scan
- March 9 (DM/CEO Committee)
– High-Level Business Case – Service Delivery Options & Model Selection – Entity-Level Governance Recommendation – Short Term Savings Plan (separate stream)
- March 30 (DM/CEO Committee)
– Revised Business Case (Level 2 – Improved Confidence) – Implementation Plan (including notional organization structure) – Organizational Roles & Responsibilities by Service – Risk & Mitigation Plans – Funding Model Options (to be confirmed) 25
Current State
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Dimensions Jurisdictions
- A. Nova Scotia
- B. FacilicorpNB
- C. NBISA
- D. Shared Svc Can
- E. ASD/HSSBC
- F. Gov Singapore
Organizational scope
- Government
departments
- District health
authorities
- Crown corporations
- Supplementary
associations
- Regional health
authorities
- Department of
Health
- Nursing Homes
- All Government
Departments within Part I
- 43 federal
government departments
- Ministry of Health
and Provincial Health Services Authority (Health Shared Services BC & Lower Mainland Consolidation)
- All Government
departments
- School Boards
- Universities
- Military
- Municipal functions
(fire, police, etc.)
Functional scope (and depth)
- Human Resources
(Health only)
- Financial Services
(Depts. only)
- IT (province-wide)
- Supply Chain
(province-wide)
- Project Services
(province-wide)
- Supply Chain
- Information
Technology and Telecommunications
- Laundry
- Clinical Engineering
- Certain Information
management / technology services, limited financial and people related transaction processing
- With the consolidation
- f IT infrastructure
from the 43 departments comes the responsibility of the maintenance and management of mission-critical systems and services
- 17 Services (Supply
Chain, A/P, ERB, A/R, Laundry, Housekeeping, Food Services, Pharmacy, Labs, DI, HIM, Facilities Management, Security, Patient Transport, Parking, Technology Services & IMIT)
- Credit management
- Finance
- HR
- Learning and
development
- Payroll
- Travel management
- Procurement
Legal entity form
- Government
department
- The Department of
Internal Services was formed in Spring 2014 to act as the service delivery agent to clients across government / health and education.
- Public sector
healthcare agency
- FacilicorpNB was
created in 2008 to provide centralized / standardized services to Regional Health Authorities
- Public sector operating
agency with oversight from Dept. of Government Services
- NBISA was created in
2010 to deliver common services to Part I organizations
- Government
department
- In 2011, 6000+
transferred to SSC
- SSC was created to
plan and design IT- infrastructure initiatives, which included a large-scale consolidation of data centres across Canada
- Public sector health
care agency
- HSSBC was created
to provide partnership to BC’s health authorities and auxiliary healthcare agencies
- Government
department within the Singapore Ministry of Finance (‘Vital’)
- Vital Services was
created as department in 2006 to support the delivery of common services to all government departments, auxiliary agencies, and other non-government entities (e.g. universities)
Jurisdictional scan (1)
Shared services have been implemented across Canada in varied levels of organizational / functional
- scope. Each jurisdiction has experienced inherent challenges and early wins in the beginning stages
Dimensions Jurisdictions
- A. Nova Scotia
- B. FacilicorpNB
- C. NBISA
- D. Shared Svc Can
- E. ASD/HSSBC
- F. Gov Singapore
Challenges / risks presented
- Operational readiness
– stand-up of new
- rganization (i.e.
budget transfers, approval of refined
- rganizational
structure
- Change management
– establishing buy-in from clients of new org
- Communications –
difficulty disseminating consistent and frequent information both internally and externally
- Technology integration
– consolidation of SAP platforms across government
- Lack of system wide
communication on roles and responsibilities
- No clear rules of
engagement or mutually developed priorities were established at outset
- Not in alignment with
New Brunswick’s
- ther shared
services
- rganization: NBISA
- Internal / external
perceptions
- Governance issues –
- wnership over certain
components of IT is unclear and integration with OCIO
- Collaboration with
Facilicorp has been limited
- In some cases, a ‘lift
and shift’ approach was taken with FTEs – this led to confusion in responsibilities and accountabilities
- FTEs were moved to a
new facility that was not completed yet – this created functional roadblocks in the delivery of work
- Each of the 43
departments had its
- wn way of working,
systems, resources, processes and lexicon
- Needed to maintain
(improve!) services while simultaneously establishing the
- rganization
- On-boarding staff and
transforming relationships with partner organizations proved challenging
- Transforming the
model (run / change business)
- Transforming and
adopting the governance model
- Business model,
commercial discipline and decision making
- Ongoing struggle with
communications and buy-in
- Customer relationship
model and decision making
- Technology integration
– consolidating / bringing together disparate platforms and applications
- Rapid implementation
and transition caused both employee and client satisfaction to suffer in early years (recent survey conducted showed 39% improvement from year 2)
- Creating a service
provider that services such an expansive client base proved challenging (i.e. establishing and meeting varied service level expectations)
- Governance and
budget cutovers were also challenging during implementation
Early benefits
- r wins
- Early formation of
strong leadership team
- Early identification for
the need of a sound service excellence framework
- Early efforts in
conducting strategic planning (i.e. formation
- f organizational
vision, mission, goals,
- bjectives, etc.)
- Adequate time allotted
for detailed implementation planning; detailed plan contemplated program / service initiatives and interdependencies
- Savings targets
achieved
- Significant mitigation
- f IT liabilities and
risk
- Stabilized after
period of significant change and transition
- Services are
regionally delivered through out the province
- Service level
agreements are effectively in place
- Business case was
achieved
- Significant reduction
in complexity from the time when services were completely fragmented within Government Departments
- At the outset, existing
mature processes were leveraged across the new department
- In 2013–2014, there
were 475 critical business impact incidents affecting SSC and partner
- departments. The
Department effected recovery for 68 percent of critical incidents within 4 hours.
- On-boarded to 3
Provincial ASD deals
- Employees
successfully transferred to HSSBC
- Supply chain –
strategic sourcing / category management
- Discrete service
contracts (e.g. transcription, housekeeping)
- Has fostered goodwill
with internal and external stakeholders in healthcare community
- In the present day,
Vital Services
- perates under strong
and single governance structure with formal SLAs for each service
- Branding of the
services (e.g.. Vital for HR) has helped create service culture
- Creation of “Shared
Service College” to drive service quality excellence
Jurisdictional scan (2)
Shared services have been implemented across Canada in varied levels of organizational / functional
- scope. Each jurisdiction has experienced inherent challenges and early wins in the beginning stages
Addressable Cost and FTE base for Common Services
Total addressable cost base of $2.2B and 2,300 FTE across all parts of Government
- Data collection (level 1) has been completed for Parts 1, 2 and 3 for
all services
- The results of the data collection process have been reviewed with
the service working groups
- Each of the working groups have validated the addressable cost
and FTE base for their respective service
- Cost and FTE data to be refined through March, through more
detailed data collection to take place over the next 3 weeks
- The result of the initial cost base and FTE analysis suggests total
addressable spend is approximately $2.2B, which includes
– $155M in FTE related cost composed (salary & benefits); and – $2.0B in addressable non-FTE spend. 29
Current State - Addressable Cost & FTE Base
Based on initial high-level estimates*, it was noted that across the services in-scope had approximately 2,281 FTEs with estimated personnel cost of $155 MM 30
FTE base for all Parts in scope FTE base by service in scope
Group FTEs Personnel cost ($) Part 1 1,452 $ 101M Part 2 202 $ 12M Part 3 627 $ 42M
Total 2,281 $155M
Service FTEs Personnel cost ($)*
Supply chain (SC)
120
$6M Information technology (IT)
942**
$70M Finance
792
$49M Human resources (HR)
427
$30M
Total 2,281 $155M
**Excludes Part 4 IT FTEs of 115 120 942 792 427
- 100
200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1,000 SC IT FIN HR 1,452 64% 202 9% 627 27%
Current state – Addressable Non FTE costs/spend base
Based on initial high-level estimates*, it was noted that IT has an addressable non-FTE spend base of ~ $71MM and Supply chain has ~ $1.94B*
Information Technology Non FTE Costs / Spend $MM Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Total Distributed Computing $6.4 $8.5 $6.8
$21.6
Application / Database Dev and Maintenance $11.2 $0.6 $8.9
$20.7
Production and Operations Computing $12.0 $0.8 $3.2
$15.9
Telecommunications (Voice and Data) $4.8 $3.6 $1.5
$9.8
IT Security $1.0 $0.3
- $1.3
IT Program Management $1.3
- $0.0
$1.4 Total $36.7 $13.8 $20.3 $70.8 16 22 10 21 1 1 71 IT Program Management IT Security Production and Operations Computing Telecommunications (Voice and Data) Total Distributed Computing Application / Database Dev and Maintenance
* Numbers in $MM Supply Chain Non FTE Costs / Spend
Parts Goods and Services Spend Managed Spend Unmanaged spend
Part I
$ 1.55B $ 0.54B $ 1.03B
Part II
$ 59M $ 20M $ 40M
Part III
$ 330M $ 282M $ 48M
Total $ 1.94B $ 0.84B $ 1.12B
$ 0.84B $ 1.12B
$ 1.94B
Goods and Services Spend Managed Spend Unmanaged spend
*Note: As of February 20th, project team is confirming that IT and Supply Chain non-FTE spend are mutually exclusive
Questions?
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