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Chest Pain StudyHub OSCE History Taking Session Differentials for Chest Pain How it works: 1. Someone opts to be patient. We will privately message you the diagnosis, and some points to help you answer the questions asked. We havent


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Chest Pain

StudyHub OSCE History Taking Session

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Differentials for Chest Pain

How it works:

  • 1. Someone opts to be patient. We will privately message

you the diagnosis, and some points to help you answer the questions asked. We haven’t told you everything, so use your knowledge to beef up the history. Don’t make it too hard!

  • 2. There are then 3 opportunities to participate, or if you are

confident you can take them all on!

  • Person 1: is the doctor/student, takes a short 5

minute history

  • Person 2: Tell us what investigations they want to

run and why

  • Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in

with and how they would manage them

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Vote for investigations anonymously

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Mini History 1

ì 70 year old man presents to A&E with sudden onset

tearing chest pain radiating to the back, 10/10

ì Person 1: You are the FY1, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Mini History 1

ì 70 year old man presents to A&E with sudden onset

tearing chest pain radiating to the back, 10/10

ì PMH – IHD, HTN, Diabetes ì BP 80/50 – asymmetrical ì HR 140 bpm ì Elevated D-Dimer, non-specific ST elevation globally

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Mini History 1

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AORTIC DISSECTION

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Bedside: ECG – exclude cardiac pathology

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Bloods: FBC (Hb drop), U+E (pre-renal AKI due to hypoperfusion), troponin, group and save, cross match, clotting screen, lactate, d- dimer

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Imaging: CXR (widened mediastinum), CT angiogram

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Management: ABCDE approach, high flow oxygen, IV access, fluid resus (cautiously). Then depends on type. Type A = surgical, Type B uncomplicated = medical

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Long term: antihypertensive therapy and surveillance imaging

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Mini History 2

ì 47 year old man presents to A&E with epigastric

pain radiating to his back following repeated episodes of severe vomiting.

ì Person 1: You are the FY1, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Mini History 2

ì 47 year old man presents to A&E with epigastric

pain radiating to his back following repeated episodes of severe vomiting

ì Haematemesis, melena, dizziness and syncope ì FBC shows normocytic anaemia

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Mini History 2

ì MALLORY-WEISS SYNDROME

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Longitudinal mucosal tears, usually at the gastro-oesophageal junction

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Bedside: Obs (HR,RR,BP… etc determine if stable), calculate Glasgow Blatchford score, monitor fluid status

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Bloods: FBC (anaemia), VBG (lactate), clotting, G+S, crossmatch, urea (if high suggests significant fluid loss)

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Imaging: erect CXR

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Management: ABCDE approach, IV access, fluid resus, endoscopy (diagnostic and therapeutic) +/- antibiotics and terelepressin

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Mini History 3

ì 50 year old male presents to GP with sharp

epigastric pain that radiates retrosternally

ì Person 1: You are the GP, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Mini History 3

ì 50 year old male presents to GP with sharp

epigastric pain that radiates retrosternally

ì He has had this pain before, worse after eating and

when lying down

ì The pain is ‘burning’ and ‘pressurizing’ ì Obs are all fine, some epigastric tenderness

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Mini History 3

ì GORD ì Less so BBI, think more GP + remember GORD is

clinical diagnosis not really one for investigations! But rule out the bad stuff!

ì Screen for ALARM symptoms. ì Investigations: trial PPI, consider UGIE (>55 or

ALARM), consider ambulatory pH monitoring

ì Management: reassure + advise lifestyle changes,

full dose PPI 4-8weeks….

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Mini History 4

ì 33 year old man presents to A&E with sharp, chest

pain and fever. The triage nurse hands you his ECG…

ì Person 1: You are the FY1, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Anyone fancy reporting findings?

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Mini History 4

ì 33 year old man presents to A&E with sharp,

pleuritic chest pain worse on lying down, improved

  • n leaning forward

ì Not relieved with nitrates, high pitched pericardial

friction rub

ì Has a fever ì Raised ESR, CRP and troponin ì Diffuse ST elevation and P-R segment depression

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Mini History 4

ìPERICARDITIS ìBedside: Obs, ECG

(widespread ST elevation

ìBloods: FBC, WCC, CRP ìImaging:

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More on ECG

Widespread ST elevation

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More on ECG

Whilst ST elevation occurs in most leads it is usually absent or depressed in aVR and V1

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Just so you are aware… a less sensitive finding is PR depression

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Reporting on an ECG

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Demographics: patient name, DOB, PC.

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Report ECG time and date, if done in series mention this!

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Check calibration

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Comment on rate, rhythm, axis.

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Comment on P wave, PR interval, QRS complex, ST segment and T wave

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KNOW YOUR COMMON ECG ABNORMALITIES

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Mini History 5

ì A 19 year old man presents to A&E with sudden,

sharp unilateral chest pain and acute SOB.

ì Person 1: You are the FY1, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Mini History 5

ì A 19 year old man presents to A&E with sudden,

sharp unilateral chest pain and acute SOB.

ì Hyper-resonance, decreased breath sounds on

affected side.

ì Oxygen saturations of 91% ì CXR shows displaced lung markings, no history of

trauma

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Mini History 5

ì SPONTANEOUS PNEUMOTHORAX ì Bedside: ECG ì Bloods: ABG ì Imaging: CXR ì Management depends on CXR

findings

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Mini History 6

ì An 18 year old female presents to her GP with a

‘fluttery feeling’ in her chest associated with sweating and nausea

ì Person 1: You are the FY1, take a short 5 minute

history

ì Person 2: Tell us what investigations you want to

run and why

ì Person 3: Tell us what this patient has come in with

and how you would manage this patient

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Mini History 6

ì ANXIETY ì Bedside: ECG and ICD-10

diagnosis of anxiety

ì Bloods: FBC and TFT ì Management: reduce caffeine,

reduce stress, beta blockers

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Differentials for Chest Pain

Cardiac – MI, Angina, Pericarditis, aortic dissection Resp – PE, pneumonia, pleural effusion, asthma Trauma – Pneumthorax etc GI – GORD, gastritis, PUD, oesophageal tears/ rupture Other – Anxiety, costochondritis

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CASE – History

ì Volunteer for introduction and 1st minute of

consultation

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CASE – History

ì Volunteer to take presenting complaint

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CASE- History

ì Volunteer to take medical, surgical, drug and family

history

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CASE – History

ì Volunteer to take social history and

conclude/summarise.

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CASE – History

ì Volunteer to present the case.

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CASE – Overview

ì 67 year old male ì One hour history of squeezing, 8/10 chest pain

radiating to left shoulder and jaw

ì Came on while gardening, does not ease with rest ì PMH – Diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, IHD ì Pale, clammy, nauseous

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Investigations? LINK IN CHAT! VOTE

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Investigation results- Bedside

ì ECG: See next slide ì Obs: v HR = 123bpm v RR = 21 v T = 37.1 v O2 = 94% v BP = 162/90

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ECG

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ECG

ìECG: ST elevation in V1-V4,

tachycardia and a new onset left bundle branch block

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Investigation results - Bloods

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FBC – Normal

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Lipid profile – high LDH

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High CRP

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Cardiac biomarkers:

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Troponin raised – Need serial troponins to see rise, it may not be raised at time of presentation

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CK-MB raised

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Myoglobin raised

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Cardiac Biomarkers

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Imaging

ì Coronary angiography – can also be used as

management (PCI +/- Stent)

ì Transthoracic echo post MI – assess LV function ì Cardiac CT – considered as alternative to invasive

angiography

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Management?

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Management

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MONARCH

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M- Morphine

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O – Oxygen

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N – Nitrates

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A – Aspirin

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R – Reperfusion

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C – Clopidogrel*

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H – Heparin

*Some trust guidelines now suggest ticareglor instead

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Management

ì Long term – BASIC

  • B – Beta- blocker
  • A – Anticoagulants
  • S – Statin
  • A – ACEi/ARB
  • C – Correction of risk factors
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Management

ì Supportive care – fluids, oxygen etc ì Surgery – CABG if damage is extensive and cannot

be fixed any other way

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Key points for histories

ì REMEMBER THE PATIENTS NAME ì Tip: before you go in to station say their name three

times, and try to think of differentials based on patient demographics

ì 4 magic questions ì Make it flow – don’t just SOCRATES for the sake of it

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4 Magic Questions

ì Have you had the pain before? If yes, how is this

different?

ì Was the onset sudden or gradual? ì What were you doing when the pain came on? ì Has the pain gotten worse?

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The big clues

ì Risk factors: T2DM, hypertension, hyperlipideamia

– rule in ACS as ddx

ì Long periods of immobility, pregnant or on the pill –

think PE

ì Drugs causing the problem? High caffeine, alcohol

and cannabis (Don’t forget these in the social)

ì Other none cardiac causes! Think of cardiac, resp,

GI – and show the examiner you are ruling these

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FEEDBACK

ì Discuss how taking the history went ì Please use the feedback form to tell us what you

think!

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Thank you!