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  1. Carl W. Stenberg Ingrid Schroeder University of North Carolina- The Pew Charitable Trusts Chapel Hill Raymond Scheppach Ed DeSeve University of Virginia Brookings Institution

  2. Big Questions About Intergovernmental Relations Carl W. Stenberg, III James E. Holshouser, Jr. Distinguished Professor of Public Administration and Government

  3. Disruptive Trends • Federal pre-emptions • Unfunded mandates • Reduced discretionary spending • Escalating health care costs • Political polarization • Unsustainable federal spending • Post-recession state revenue weaknesses • “Fend -for- yourself” federalism

  4. Promising Developments • Federal “cavalry” still riding (ARRA, Medicaid expansion) • More state activism on federal policy and regulation • State innovation laboratories re-opening • Growing interest in federal block grants • Increased use of waivers of federal regulations

  5. Big Question 1 How will efforts to remedy the federal government’s unsustainable fiscal condition affect state and local revenues?

  6. Big Question 2 How can state governments be viable intergovernmental partners without greater fiscal capacity and fiscal responsibility?

  7. Big Question 3 Should functional responsibilities be “sorted out” with turn -backs of responsibilities to the states in order to achieve greater efficiency and effectiveness?

  8. Big Question 4 Should federal categorical grants-in-aid be consolidated into block grants to reduce overlap, target resources, and improve results?

  9. Big Question 5 What design features should accompany federal economic stimulus programs and regulatory reforms to facilitate more effective state implementation?

  10. Big Question 6 Under what circumstances are unfunded federal mandates warranted or unwarranted, and when should the federal government preempt state authority or provide waivers for state exemptions and experiments?

  11. Who Will Answer the Big Questions? • Demise of intergovernmental institutions (ACIR, OMB, House & Senate subcommittees) • Few congressional federalism champions • Money and mandates trump management • Polarization undermines collaboration • Opportunities for CSG and other Big 7 organizations

  12. Medicaid Provider Taxes Council of State Governments Federalism in the Executive Branch- Between States and the Federal Government May 19, 2015 Raymond Scheppach University of Virginia (Former Executive Director of the NGA)

  13. History of Provider Taxes  The Pro Cyclical Nature of Medicaid Creates Funding Challenges During an Economic Downturn  After the Recession of 1983 States Began to Use Donations and Provider Taxes  This Allowed States to Increase the Share of Medicaid Paid by the Federal Government  States Gained, Providers Gained and the Federal Government and Taxpayers Lost  In 1990 Rules were Promulgated to Restrict Donations and Taxes but there were questions about the legality of the rule  The Rule Was Opposed by a Strong Coalition of States and Providers  An Informal Invitation was made by HHS and OMB to Negotiate an Agreement 14  In 1991, the Negotiated Agreement was enacted by the Congress (PL102-234) 

  14. The Negotiation Was Challenging  States Were Divided Into Three Groups  Those Who Were Blatant Users of Provider Taxes 1. Those Who Did Not Use and Were Opposed to Any Use 2. Those Who Had Moderate Use 3. NGA Had Limited Expertise Relative To HHS and OMB  OMB and HHS had Different Goals  Each State Was Unique and Needed a Unique Solution  Timing was Critical  Even if the Negotiation Was Successful, Would the Hill Enact it  Without Amendments? 15

  15. The Negotiation Process  Created a Negotiation Team of 6 — 3 NGA and 3 from the Administration  Met Weekly as a Team  Asked each Governor to Appoint a Staff Member who Could Make Decisions  Communicated Individually with States about their Unique Issues  Communicated with Executive Committee on a Weekly Basis 16

  16. What Did We Learn? Need to Build Trust with the Other Side by Being Honest 1. Regarding Problems. Need to Communicate Directly via Phone with Individuals States 2. and Be Prepared to go back to the Negotiating Team if there were Legitimate Issues Need to Brief Executive Committee on Both the Substance And 3. the Extent to which Individual Governors were Opposed. Need to Keep Other Stakeholders, such as Providers Informed. 4. Need to Communicate with State Legislators through NCSL and 5. CSG. Needed to Get a Commitment From the Administration that 6. they Would Oppose any Legislative Changes that we opposed. Allow the Administration to Take the Lead on the Hill as they 7. were the Good Guys. We Needed to Have the Executive Committee Vote to Adopt the 8. Agreement. Understand You are Personally In a Very Risky Situation . 9. 17 

  17. Final Results Congress Enacted the Agreement Without an  Amendment  The Lead Negotiator from HCFA was fired for not keeping the Secretary Informed  Most Governors were pleased, but 5-6 Were Very Upset  The Most Egregious Practices have Stopped but Many Problems Remain 18

  18. Federalism in the Executive Branch May 19, 2015 pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

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  20. Federal sh share of f state revenue pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

  21. Dif ifferent t ki kinds of f fu funding rela latio ionships FY FY 2012 2012 pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

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  23. 11 11 states an and DC DC have enacted le legisl islation to o provide driver’s licenses to the unauthorized Last Updated May 2015 pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

  24. Federalism in in th the Executive Branch Data Conversation Examples of Impact Department of Transportation, “Beyond Traffic Trends and Choices” White House Task Force on New Americans, “Strengthening Communities by Welcoming All Residents” pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

  25. For additional questions or information, please contact: Ingrid Schroeder ischroeder@pewtrusts.org 202-540-6449 pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism pewtrusts.org/fiscal-federalism

  26. Counc ncil il of State te Govern rnme ment nts May 19, , 2015 G. Edward rd DeSe Seve Execut ecutive in Resid esidenc nce Brookin ookings gs Execut ecutive Educa cati tion on

  27.  Worse than they knew  A memo to the President  Mr. Biden’s fireplace  Organizing for Recovery  The role of State and Local Governments  It takes a network  Elements of Managed Networks

  28.  Attention from the Top  Transparency Minimizes Fraud  Real Time Financial Information  Technology Enables Direct Reporting  Geospatial Mapping Adds Clarity  Collaboration Through Networks Essential

  29.  The “Fifth Objective”  Biden’s calls  Linking “ Single Accountable Individuals ”  We must be in Kansas  A well lit house

  30.  Commitment to a common purpose or mission  Trust  Networked structure and use of technology  Governance  Access to Authority  Resources  Leadership

  31. Federal Local State

  32.  Networks beyond disaster  “Collaboration and network building are the most important foundations for transformative action in a city and a metropolis” The Metropolitan Revolution (Katz and Bradley, Brookings (2013)  Managing risks with networks from Y2K to ACA

  33. Why can’t we all just get along. . .

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