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Motivational Interviewing: Motivational Interviewing: Some Basic Tools Some Basic Tools

Ana Moseley, LISW, ACSW Ana Moseley, LISW, ACSW Thomas Peterson, Ph.D. Thomas Peterson, Ph.D. ,

Sponsored by: Sponsored by:

Sangre de Cristo Sangre de Cristo Sangre de Cristo Sangre de Cristo Community Health Partnership Community Health Partnership Substance Abuse and Mental Health Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Services Administration Services Administration Services Administration Tennessee Primary Care Association Tennessee Primary Care Association

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Goals Goals

  • Brief intro to MI:

Brief intro to MI:

  • Focus on some specific MI skills:

Focus on some specific MI skills:

  • Using reflections

Using reflections

  • Rolling with resistance

Rolling with resistance g

  • Giving information or advice

Giving information or advice When working with a client, would you rather be

  • r
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What is MI What is MI

A person centered goal orientated approach for A person centered goal orientated approach for facilitating change by exploring & resolving facilitating change by exploring & resolving g g y p g g g g y p g g ambivalence ambivalence ( (Miller 2006)

Miller 2006)

…a method of communication rather than a set …a method of communication rather than a set

  • f techniques. It is not a bag of tricks for getting
  • f techniques. It is not a bag of tricks for getting

people to do what they don’t want to do; rather, it people to do what they don’t want to do; rather, it p p y ; , p p y ; , is a fundamental is a fundamental way of being with & for people way of being with & for people – a facilitative approach to communication that a facilitative approach to communication that evokes change” evokes change”

(Miller & Rollnick 2002) (Miller & Rollnick 2002)

The Spirit of MI vs. Its The Spirit of MI vs. Its Mirror Image Mirror Image

COLLABORATION VS. CONFRONTATION EVOCATION VS. EDUCATING AUTONOMY VS. AUTHORITY

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Ambivalence Ambivalence The Dilemma of Change The Dilemma of Change

  • “I want to, and I don’t want to”

“I want to, and I don’t want to”

  • Ambivalence is a normal aspect of

Ambivalence is a normal aspect of human nature. human nature.

  • Passing through ambivalence is a

Passing through ambivalence is a natural phase in the process of natural phase in the process of change. change.

  • Ambivalence is a reasonable place to

Ambivalence is a reasonable place to visit but you wouldn’t want to live visit but you wouldn’t want to live there. there.

Typical Strategies Typical Strategies

 Give them

Give them Insight Insight - if you can just make if you can just make l l th th ill h th th ill h people people see see, then they will change , then they will change

 Give them

Give them Knowledge Knowledge - if people just if people just know know enough, then they will change enough, then they will change

 Give them

Give them Skills Skills - if you can just teach if you can just teach people people how how to change then they will do it to change then they will do it people people how how to change, then they will do it to change, then they will do it

 Give them

Give them Hell Hell - if you can just make if you can just make people feel people feel bad bad or afraid

  • r afraid enough, they will

enough, they will change change

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Stages of Change Stages of Change

Maintenance Contemplation Relapse

Precontemplation Permanent exit

Preparation Action

Precontemplation Precontemplation

 Keyword: Doesn’t know or not ready

Keyword: Doesn’t know or not ready

 Task: Increase recognition and

Task: Increase recognition and

 Task: Increase recognition and

Task: Increase recognition and concern about behavior concern about behavior

Contemplation Contemplation

 Keyword: Ambivalence

Keyword: Ambivalence

 Task: Tip the balance

Task: Tip the balance

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Preparation Preparation

 Keyword: Threshold

Keyword: Threshold

 Task: Negotiate a change plan

Task: Negotiate a change plan

Action Action

 Keyword: Movement

Keyword: Movement

 Task: Help person implement change

Task: Help person implement change plan plan

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Maintenance Maintenance

 Keyword: Balance

Keyword: Balance

 Task: Help person continue change

Task: Help person continue change

Relapse/Repeat Relapse/Repeat

 Keyword: Guilt and Shame

Keyword: Guilt and Shame

 Assist return to change behavior, Get

Assist return to change behavior, Get back on track back on track

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Traditional Health Care Approach Traditional Health Care Approach

  • Explain why the person

Explain why the person should should change change Give benefits that would result from Give benefits that would result from

  • Give benefits that would result from

Give benefits that would result from making the change making the change

  • Tell the person how they could make the

Tell the person how they could make the change change

  • Persuade the person to do it

Persuade the person to do it

  • If you meet resistance, repeat the above.

If you meet resistance, repeat the above. If you meet resistance, repeat the above. If you meet resistance, repeat the above.

  • Warn the speaker what may happen if

Warn the speaker what may happen if change is not made. change is not made.

  • P.S. This is

P.S. This is NOT NOT motivational Interviewing motivational Interviewing

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The Righting Reflex The Righting Reflex

  • The desire to set things right.

The desire to set things right.

  • Acting on the inclination to advise,

Acting on the inclination to advise, teach, persuade, counsel or argue for teach, persuade, counsel or argue for a particular resolution to a clients a particular resolution to a clients ambivalence ambivalence ambivalence. ambivalence.

Reactions to Righting Reflex Reactions to Righting Reflex

 Angry, agitated

Angry, agitated

 Oppositional

Oppositional

  Helpless

Helpless

  Overwhelmed

Overwhelmed

 Oppositional

Oppositional

 Discounting

Discounting

 Defensive

Defensive

 Justifying

Justifying

 Not understood

Not understood N t h d N t h d

  Overwhelmed

Overwhelmed

  Ashamed

Ashamed

  Trapped

Trapped

  Disengaged

Disengaged

  Not come back

Not come back-

  • avoid

avoid

 Not heard

Not heard

 Procrastination

Procrastination

 Afraid

Afraid avoid avoid

  Uncomfortable

Uncomfortable

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In Motivational Interviewing: In Motivational Interviewing:

 Direct persuasion is not very useful for

Direct persuasion is not very useful for resolving ambivalence resolving ambivalence

 Motivation is elicited from the patient and

Motivation is elicited from the patient and not imposed from without not imposed from without

 The patient is supported in identifying

The patient is supported in identifying and resolving ambivalence and resolving ambivalence

 Patient values and autonomy respected

Patient values and autonomy respected

 “Change talk” recognized & responded to

“Change talk” recognized & responded to

 Resistance is treated constructively

Resistance is treated constructively

Four General Principles of MI Four General Principles of MI

1. Express empathy

  • 1. Express empathy

2. Develop discrepancy

  • 2. Develop discrepancy

3. Support self

  • 3. Support self-
  • efficacy

efficacy

4. Roll with resistance

  • 4. Roll with resistance
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Principle 1: Express Empathy Principle 1: Express Empathy

 Listen actively with the goal of

Listen actively with the goal of understanding understanding understanding understanding

 Skillful reflective listening is

Skillful reflective listening is fundamental. fundamental.

 Acceptance facilitates change.

Acceptance facilitates change.

 Ambivalence is normal.

Ambivalence is normal.

Principle 2: Develop Discrepancy Principle 2: Develop Discrepancy

 Motivation for change occurs when

Motivation for change occurs when people perceive a discrepancy between people perceive a discrepancy between people perceive a discrepancy between people perceive a discrepancy between where they are and where they want to where they are and where they want to be be

 Values and beliefs are key factors

Values and beliefs are key factors

 The person rather than the practitioner

The person rather than the practitioner should make the arguments for change should make the arguments for change

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Principle 3: Support Self Principle 3: Support Self-

  • Efficacy

Efficacy

 A person's belief in the possibility of

A person's belief in the possibility of h i i t t ti t h i i t t ti t change is an important motivator. change is an important motivator.

 The patient, not the practitioner, is

The patient, not the practitioner, is responsible for choosing and carrying responsible for choosing and carrying

  • ut change.
  • ut change.

 The practitioner's own belief in the

The practitioner's own belief in the

 The practitioner s own belief in the

The practitioner s own belief in the person’s ability to change becomes a person’s ability to change becomes a self self-

  • fulfilling prophecy.

fulfilling prophecy.

Principle 4: Roll with Resistance Principle 4: Roll with Resistance

 Avoid arguing for change.

Avoid arguing for change.

 Resistance is not directly opposed.

Resistance is not directly opposed.

 New perspectives are invited and not

New perspectives are invited and not

  • pposed.
  • pposed.

 The patient is the primary resource

The patient is the primary resource in finding answers and solutions in finding answers and solutions in finding answers and solutions. in finding answers and solutions.

 Resistance is a signal to respond

Resistance is a signal to respond differently. differently.

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Roll with Resistance Roll with Resistance

 Reluctance and ambivalence are to be

Reluctance and ambivalence are to be acknowledged (and even respected) and acknowledged (and even respected) and g ( p ) g ( p ) not confronted directly not confronted directly

 Questions and problems may be turned

Questions and problems may be turned back to the patient for solution back to the patient for solution

 Explicit permission is given to disregard

Explicit permission is given to disregard

 Explicit permission is given to disregard

Explicit permission is given to disregard what the interviewer is saying what the interviewer is saying

 Resistance supplies energy which can be

Resistance supplies energy which can be used therapeutically used therapeutically

ADDRESSING ADDRESSING ADDRESSING ADDRESSING RESISTANCE RESISTANCE

What Does Resistance Look What Does Resistance Look Like… ? Like… ? What Kind of Resistance have What Kind of Resistance have You Encountered? You Encountered?

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Four Categories of Four Categories of Resistance Behavior Resistance Behavior

 ARGUING: Contesting the accuracy,

ARGUING: Contesting the accuracy, ti i t it f th i t i ti i t it f th i t i expertise or integrity of the interviewer expertise or integrity of the interviewer

 INTERRUPTING: Cutting off or talking over

INTERRUPTING: Cutting off or talking over the interviewer in a defensive way the interviewer in a defensive way

 UNWILLINGNESS: Not recognizing

UNWILLINGNESS: Not recognizing problems, cooperating, taking responsibility problems, cooperating, taking responsibility problems, cooperating, taking responsibility problems, cooperating, taking responsibility

  • r accepting advice
  • r accepting advice

 IGNORING: Being silent, inattentive, non

IGNORING: Being silent, inattentive, non-

  • responsive or side

responsive or side-

  • tracking

tracking

Responding to Resistance: Responding to Resistance: Reflective Responses Reflective Responses

 Sim ple Reflection

Sim ple Reflection (focused on feelings; (focused on feelings; e g “You’re angry about being sent e g “You’re angry about being sent e.g., You re angry about being sent e.g., You re angry about being sent here.”) here.”)

 Am plified Reflection

Am plified Reflection (overstating (overstating feelings; e.g., “You’re feelings; e.g., “You’re furious furious about being about being sent here.”) sent here.”)

 Double

Double-

  • Sided Reflection

Sided Reflection ("On one hand ("On one hand you like the way things are; and on the you like the way things are; and on the

  • ther hand there’s part of you that would
  • ther hand there’s part of you that would

like to make a change.") like to make a change.")

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Responding to Resistance: Responding to Resistance: Strategic responses Strategic responses

 Em phasizing

Em phasizing Personal Choice and Personal Choice and Control Control ("It's really your decision...") ("It's really your decision...")

 Shifting Focus

Shifting Focus (“We've gotten ahead of (“We've gotten ahead of

  • urselves...”)
  • urselves...”)

 Refram ing

Refram ing

 Agreem ent w ith a tw ist

Agreem ent w ith a tw ist

 Siding w ith the negative ( Com ing

Siding w ith the negative ( Com ing alongside) alongside)

MI Tools: OARS MI Tools: OARS

O

O -

  • Open Questions

Open Questions

A

A -

  • Affirm

Affirm

R

R -

  • Reflect

Reflect

S - Summarize

Summarize

S

S Summarize Summarize

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  • O. Open
  • O. Open-
  • ended Questions

ended Questions

 Patients should do most of the talking

Patients should do most of the talking

 Useful early in session to build rapport

Useful early in session to build rapport & provide direction & provide direction

 Ask for “both sides of the coin”

Ask for “both sides of the coin”

 The general pattern in MI is to ask an

The general pattern in MI is to ask an

  • pen question setting the topic of
  • pen question setting the topic of
  • pen question, setting the topic of
  • pen question, setting the topic of

exploration, and then follow with exploration, and then follow with reflective listening. reflective listening.

Good question or not? Good question or not?

 In what ways has alcohol been a problem for

In what ways has alcohol been a problem for you? you?

 What do you think keeps you from

What do you think keeps you from abstaining? abstaining?

 Why don’t you try going to AA?

Why don’t you try going to AA?

 Why would you want to put your baby at risk

Why would you want to put your baby at risk by drinking? by drinking?

 What’s wrong with trying a few days without

What’s wrong with trying a few days without alcohol? alcohol?

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  • A. Affirming
  • A. Affirming

 Compliments or statements of

Compliments or statements of i ti d d t di i ti d d t di appreciation and understanding. appreciation and understanding.

 The point is to notice and appropriately

The point is to notice and appropriately affirm the patient’s strengths and affirm the patient’s strengths and efforts. efforts.

 Genuineness is critical

Genuineness is critical

 Genuineness is critical

Genuineness is critical

 Appreciation vs. approval

Appreciation vs. approval

  • R. Reflect
  • R. Reflect

 Demonstrates a desire for mutual

Demonstrates a desire for mutual d d d d understanding understanding

 Start with simplest levels of reflection

Start with simplest levels of reflection and move forward as rapport builds and move forward as rapport builds

 Good follow up to open

Good follow up to open-

  • ended question

ended question

 “Listen more than tell”

“Listen more than tell”

 Being selective as we hold up a mirror

Being selective as we hold up a mirror for the people we work with for the people we work with

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  • S. Summarizing
  • S. Summarizing

 Periodic summaries reinforce what

Periodic summaries reinforce what h b id h th t h h b id h th t h has been said, show that you have has been said, show that you have been listening carefully, and prepare been listening carefully, and prepare the patient to elaborate further. the patient to elaborate further.

 It’s like collecting flowers one at a

It’s like collecting flowers one at a

 It s like collecting flowers one at a

It s like collecting flowers one at a time and then giving them to a time and then giving them to a person in a bouquet. person in a bouquet.

Reflective Listening: Reflective Listening: Reflective Listening: Reflective Listening: Review & Practice Review & Practice

Think of reflective listening as a way to Think of reflective listening as a way to act as a mirror and help clients see act as a mirror and help clients see themselves themselves-hopefully at a deeper level hopefully at a deeper level themselves themselves hopefully at a deeper level hopefully at a deeper level because of your reflections. because of your reflections.

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Reflective Listening Reflective Listening

 One of the most important and most

One of the most important and most challenging skills required for MI challenging skills required for MI challenging skills required for MI challenging skills required for MI

 The essence of reflective listening is that it

The essence of reflective listening is that it makes a guess as to what the speaker makes a guess as to what the speaker means. means.

 The reflective listener gives voice to the

The reflective listener gives voice to the guess in the form of a statement of guess in the form of a statement of d t di d t di understanding. understanding.

 Start with simple reflections and move

Start with simple reflections and move towards complex reflections towards complex reflections

Forming reflections Forming reflections

  • A reflection states an hypothesis, makes

A reflection states an hypothesis, makes a guess about what the person means a guess about what the person means a guess about what the person means a guess about what the person means

  • It is a statement not a question

It is a statement not a question

(reflections should outnumber questions) (reflections should outnumber questions)

  • Start with your question

Start with your question

  • Cut the question words

Cut the question words

  • Inflect your voice down at the end

Inflect your voice down at the end

  • No penalty for missing

No penalty for missing

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Levels of Reflection Levels of Reflection

CONTENT

CONTENT

FEELING

FEELING

MEANING

MEANING

“I want to live at home to see my grand kids “I want to live at home to see my grand kids grow up. grow up.

 Content:

Content: “St i t h i “St i t h i “Staying at home gives you more “Staying at home gives you more contact with your grandkids.” contact with your grandkids.”

 Feelings:

Feelings: “You’re worried that they might forget “You’re worried that they might forget about you if you’re not around .” about you if you’re not around .”

 Meaning:

Meaning: “Your grand children mean a lot to you “Your grand children mean a lot to you and you want to be there for them.” and you want to be there for them.”

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Ready to listen? Ready to listen?

 Getting present

Getting present

g p g p

 Turning down the noise in my head

Turning down the noise in my head

 Being clear about my own goals for

Being clear about my own goals for the interaction the interaction

 Focusing on the person or family in

Focusing on the person or family in front of me front of me

Levels of Reflection Levels of Reflection

 Repeating (same words)

Repeating (same words)

 Rephrasing (same content, different

Rephrasing (same content, different words) words)

 Paraphrasing (reflecting meaning)

Paraphrasing (reflecting meaning)

 Reflection of feelings (“You feel

”) Reflection of feelings (“You feel ”)

 Reflection of feelings ( You feel… )

Reflection of feelings ( You feel… )

 Deeper meaning (“You feel ____

Deeper meaning (“You feel ____ BECAUSE… ”) BECAUSE… ”)

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Sentence stems for reflections Sentence stems for reflections

 You mean that…

You mean that…

 You’re wondering if…

You’re wondering if…

 So you feel…

You’re feeling… So you feel… You’re feeling…

 You…

You…

Client statements for practice Client statements for practice

 (36 year old female) “I can’t quit drinking.

(36 year old female) “I can’t quit drinking. Everyone I hang out with drinks all the Everyone I hang out with drinks all the Everyone I hang out with drinks all the Everyone I hang out with drinks all the time.” time.”

 (19 year old male) “Hey, I get smashed

(19 year old male) “Hey, I get smashed because its fun. It’s not a problem because its fun. It’s not a problem --

  • - I just

I just drink on the weekends.” drink on the weekends.”

 (31 year old male) “You can’t understand

(31 year old male) “You can’t understand

 (31 year old male) You can t understand

(31 year old male) You can t understand what I’ve been through unless you’ve what I’ve been through unless you’ve been there yourself.” been there yourself.”

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Client Client Statements from Participants Statements from Participants p Communication Styles Communication Styles

 Direct

Direct

 Guide

Guide

 Follow

Follow

– A child runs into the road A child runs into the road h ld l d b k h ld l d b k – A child is learning to ride a bike A child is learning to ride a bike – A child is crying and you don’t know A child is crying and you don’t know why why

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Guiding Style Guiding Style

 May be the most effective way to

May be the most effective way to t lk t ti t b t lif t l t lk t ti t b t lif t l talk to patients about lifestyle talk to patients about lifestyle changes changes

 Motivational Interviewing

Motivational Interviewing – – a refined a refined form of this guiding style form of this guiding style form of this guiding style form of this guiding style

Core Communication Skills Core Communication Skills

 Asking

Asking

Sho t open Sho t open ended q estions ended q estions – – Short, open Short, open-ended questions ended questions

 Listening

Listening

– Active use of reflection, especially with Active use of reflection, especially with change talk or resistance change talk or resistance

 Informing

Informing

– Ask permission, elicit Ask permission, elicit-

  • provide

provide-

  • elicit

elicit

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Before giving advice, ask… Before giving advice, ask…

 “Have I elicited the client’s own ideas

“Have I elicited the client’s own ideas d k l d th bj t?” d k l d th bj t?” and knowledge on the subject?” and knowledge on the subject?”

 “Is what I am going to convey

“Is what I am going to convey important to the client’s safety, or important to the client’s safety, or likely to enhance the client’s likely to enhance the client’s motivation for change?” motivation for change?” motivation for change? motivation for change?

Miller and Rollnick, 2002, pg. 131 Miller and Rollnick, 2002, pg. 131

Key Elements for Using MI Key Elements for Using MI in a Brief Intervention in a Brief Intervention

 Ask

Ask-

  • Provide

Provide-

  • Ask

Ask

 Reflection/ Roll with Resistance

Reflection/ Roll with Resistance

 Importance (or Interest) Ruler

Importance (or Interest) Ruler

 Confidence Ruler

Confidence Ruler

 Summary

Summary

 Menu of Options

Menu of Options

 “What do you think you’ll do”

“What do you think you’ll do”

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Before giving advice or Before giving advice or information… information…

 Ask:

Ask: “Would it be okay with you to share “Would it be okay with you to share some information/ advice I have some information/ advice I have some information/ advice I have some information/ advice I have about_______” about_______”

 “Elicit the patient’s own ideas and

“Elicit the patient’s own ideas and knowledge on the subject?” knowledge on the subject?”

 Provide

Provide the information/ advice the information/ advice

 Ask:

Ask: “What do you make of that?” “What do you make of that?”

Readiness to Change Readiness to Change Assessing Interest, Importance, & Assessing Interest, Importance, & Confidence with Rulers Confidence with Rulers

Not at all important Not at all important extremely important extremely important 5 6 7 8 9 2 10 1 3 4

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Using Rulers Using Rulers

Importance Ruler

Importance Ruler

“On a scale of one to ten how important is it “On a scale of one to ten how important is it On a scale of one to ten how important is it On a scale of one to ten how important is it to make a change in your behavior?” to make a change in your behavior?”

Query: Query: “What makes it an 8 and not a 2?” “What makes it an 8 and not a 2?”

Confidence Ruler

Confidence Ruler

“On a scale of one to ten how confident do “On a scale of one to ten how confident do you feel that you can make a change in you feel that you can make a change in your behavior?” your behavior?”

Query: Query: “What would it take to move it up to an 8?” “What would it take to move it up to an 8?”

Summarize and Offer Options Summarize and Offer Options

 Summary of information and change

Summary of information and change

y g y g talk talk

 Menu of choices / Agenda setting

Menu of choices / Agenda setting

 Ask the client: “What do you think

Ask the client: “What do you think you will do?” you will do?”

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BI Demonstration BI Demonstration

Agenda Setting Agenda Setting

  • Ask permission to discuss topic

Ask permission to discuss topic “I wonder if it would be ok with you if “I wonder if it would be ok with you if I wonder if it would be ok with you if I wonder if it would be ok with you if we talked about your medications?” we talked about your medications?”

  • Explain you will not insist on immediate

Explain you will not insist on immediate action action action action “I’d like to get a better idea of how you “I’d like to get a better idea of how you feel about your meds, don’t worry, I’m feel about your meds, don’t worry, I’m not going to lecture you, ok?” not going to lecture you, ok?”

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Agenda Setting Agenda Setting Chart Chart

Encouraging Talk about Change Encouraging Talk about Change

 Arranging conversation so that

Arranging conversation so that li t k th t f li t k th t f clients make the argument for clients make the argument for change change

 Several strategies to elicit self

Several strategies to elicit self-

  • motivational statements

motivational statements

 Easiest is to ask questions which

Easiest is to ask questions which

 Easiest is to ask questions which

Easiest is to ask questions which elicit concern, intent to change and elicit concern, intent to change and

  • ptimism (see handout for sample
  • ptimism (see handout for sample

questions) questions)

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Preparatory Change Talk Preparatory Change Talk Four Kinds Four Kinds

 DARN

DARN-

  • C

C

 Desire

Desire to change (want, like, wish )

to change (want, like, wish )

 Ability

Ability to change (can, could …

) to change (can, could … )

 Reasons

Reasons to change ( if .. then )

to change ( if .. then )

 Need

Need to change (need, have to, got to …

) to change (need, have to, got to … )

 Commitment to making change ( I will,

Commitment to making change ( I will, I’ve decided… ) I’ve decided… )

Sustain Talk Sustain Talk

Sustain talk is a normal part of Sustain talk is a normal part of ambivalence. ambivalence. DARN DARN-

  • C:

C:

Desire for status quo Desire for status quo “Inability” to change “Inability” to change Reasons to keep status quo Reasons to keep status quo “Need” to keep status quo “Need” to keep status quo Commitment to status quo Commitment to status quo

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Resistance vs. Sustain Talk Resistance vs. Sustain Talk

Resistance is interpersonal behavior, a Resistance is interpersonal behavior, a signal of dissonance predictive of signal of dissonance predictive of signal of dissonance, predictive of signal of dissonance, predictive of non non-

  • change, and highly responsive

change, and highly responsive to counselor style (for example: to counselor style (for example: discounting, interrupting, arguing) discounting, interrupting, arguing) O t diff ti t th t i O t diff ti t th t i One way to differentiate the two is One way to differentiate the two is that resistance needs a partner while that resistance needs a partner while sustain talk you could say to yourself sustain talk you could say to yourself

A Change of Role A Change of Role

  • You don’t have to make change happen.

You don’t have to make change happen. Y ’t Y ’t You can’t You can’t

  • You don’t have to come up with all the

You don’t have to come up with all the answers. answers. You probably don’t have the best ones You probably don’t have the best ones

  • You’re not wrestling

You’re not wrestling You’re dancing You’re dancing

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Staying In Touch Staying In Touch

 amoseley444@yahoo.com

amoseley444@yahoo.com

 thomas.peterson@sdcchp.nm.org

thomas.peterson@sdcchp.nm.org

 nancy.miquelon@ihs.gov

nancy.miquelon@ihs.gov

 mady.maraia@sdcchp.nm.org

mady.maraia@sdcchp.nm.org

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Thank You! Thank You!