Regional trade at a crossroads: Assessment and outlook State of - - PowerPoint PPT Presentation
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Regional trade at a crossroads: Assessment and outlook State of affairs 1. Deceleration of world trade 2. International context with recessionary bias: excess liquidity and insufficient demand 3. Structural imbalances: de-linkage between the
State of affairs
- 1. Deceleration of world trade
- 2. International context with recessionary bias:
excess liquidity and insufficient demand
- 3. Structural imbalances: de-linkage between the
financial market and the real economy
- 4. Slow growth and global uncertainty exacerbate
the region’s weaknesses
- 5. The region’s worst export performance in decades
(four years of no growth)
World trade grew faster than GDP during most of the post-war period…
ANNUAL VARIATIONS IN GLOBAL GOODS EXPORTS VOLUMES AND GLOBAL GDP, 1952-2014 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of data from the WTO and IMF.
7.8
8.6 5.4 3.9 6.5 5.3 2.6
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5 10 15 20 1952 1955 1958 1961 1964 1967 1970 1973 1976 1979 1982 1985 1988 1991 1994 1997 2000 2003 2006 2009 2012 2015
Exports GDP Average export growth
Fall of the Berlin Wall 1989 China’s
- pening 1978
European Community 1957 GATT 1947
… but it has lost momentum since 2008-2009
ANNUAL VARIATIONS IN GLOBAL GOODS EXPORTS BY VALUE AND VOLUME, 1992-2015 a (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of Netherlands Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis (CPB), World Trade Database. a Figures for 2015 are ECLAC projections.
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10 20 30 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Price Volume Value
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of International Monetary Fund, 2015 External Sector Report, Washington, DC, 27 July 2015. a Figures for 2015 are projections.
Current account imbalances and their distribution
SELECTED GROUPINGS AND COUNTRIES: BALANCE-OF-PAYMENTS CURRENT ACCOUNT BALANCES, 1997-2015 a (Percentages of GDP)
- 2.5%
- 1.5%
- 0.5%
0.5% 1.5% 2.5% 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
China Germany and the Netherlands Japan USA Euro Area without Germany and the Netherlands Oil Exporting Countries Latin America without Venezuela (B.R.) Surplus countries do not absorb exports of deficit countries Deficit countries have to adjust
Lack of reciprocity
The financial sector is growing faster and delinking from the real economy
EXTERNAL FINANCIAL ASSETS a AND SELECTED REAL VARIABLES WORLDWIDE, 2003-2013 (Indices, 2003=100)
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of data from the IMF, UNCTAD and the World Bank.
a Calculated on the basis of each country’s international investment position.
100 120 140 160 180 200 220 240 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Exports of Goods and Services Financial Assets Gross Capital Formation World GDP
Excess liquidity and little effective demand: diminished monetary policy space
The main interest rate tends to zero
EUROZONE, JAPAN, UNITED STATES: POLICY RATES, 2000-2015 (Percentages)
Despite QE, inflation does not pick up
EUROZONE, JAPAN, UNITED STATES: INFLATION RATES, 2000-2015 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on data from the Federal Reserve Bank of Saint Louis, and from the Federal Reserve and the Statistics Bureau of Japan.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
2000-01-01 2000-09-01 2001-05-01 2002-01-01 2002-09-01 2003-05-01 2004-01-01 2004-09-01 2005-05-01 2006-01-01 2006-09-01 2007-05-01 2008-01-01 2008-09-01 2009-05-01 2010-01-01 2010-09-01 2011-05-01 2012-01-01 2012-09-01 2013-05-01 2014-01-01 2014-09-01 2015-05-01
United States Euro Area Japan
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- 4
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2 4 6 8 10 12 Feb-2000 Oct-2000 Jun-2001 Feb-2002 Oct-2002 Jun-2003 Feb-2004 Oct-2004 Jun-2005 Feb-2006 Oct-2006 Jun-2007 Feb-2008 Oct-2008 Jun-2009 Feb-2010 Oct-2010 Jun-2011 Feb-2012 Oct-2012 Jun-2013 Feb-2014 Oct-2014 Jun-2015
Japan Euro Area United States
Aggregate demand is less dynamic after the crisis
EURO AREA, JAPAN AND UNITED STATES: CONTRIBUTION OF AGGREGATE DEMAND COMPONENTS TO GDP GROWTH, 2000-2014 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of data from the OECD.
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- 6
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2 4 6 8 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 Japan Euro Area United States Private consumption Government consumption Gross capital formation Net exports GDP growth
The transition of the Chinese model impacts global growth
GDP (2000-2015) Industrial production and retail sales (2010-2015)
4 6 8 10 12 14 16 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Source: ECLAC, based on IMF, World Economic Outlook Database, April 2015 (GDP) and the National Bureau of Statistics of China (for industrial production and retail sales).
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
CHINA: ANNUAL VARIATIONS IN SELECTED ECONOMIC INDICATORS a (Percentages)
5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 Feb-10 Jun-10 Oct-10 Feb-11 Jun-11 Oct-11 Feb-12 Jun-12 Oct-12 Feb-13 Jun-13 Oct-13 Feb-14 Jun-14 Oct-14 Feb-15 Jun-15 Industrial Production Retail Sales
Utilization levels have not recovered…
65% 67% 69% 71% 73% 75% 77% 79% 81% 83% 85% 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
United States Eurozone
65% 67% 69% 71% 73% 75% 77% 79% 81% 83% 85% 87% 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Source: ECLAC, based on data from Eurostat and the United States Federal Reserve.
INSTALLED CAPACITY UTILIZATION, 1995-2015 (Percentages)
… the same happens at the sectoral level and excess capacity sends prices tumbling in China
70 72 74 76 78 80 82 84 86 88 90
Automobile industry in Brazil World copper refining LEVEL OF UTILIZATION OF INSTALLED CAPACITY (Percentages)
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
CHINA: Annual variation of industrial producer prices 2000-2015 a (percentage)
China is reducing the imported content
- f its exports, especially in high-tech products…
SELECTED COUNTRIES: IMPORTED CONTENT IN GOODS AND SERVICES EXPORTS, 1995, 2005 AND 2011 (Percentages) CHINA: IMPORTED CONTENT OF EXPORTS BY SECTOR, 1995, 2005 AND 2011 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on data from the OECD/WTO Trade in Value Added (TiVA) database.
5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 United States Germany Japan Brazil Mexico Russia India China South Africa
1995 2005 2011
20 40 60 80 Agriculture Mining Manufacturing (Total) Low-Tech Industries Low-Medium-Tech Industries Medium-High-Tech Industries High-Tech Industries Services Total Exports
2011 2005 1995
… while its high-tech exports are gaining market share in developed countries
EUROPEAN UNION, JAPAN AND UNITED STATES: STRUCTURE OF MERCHANDISE IMPORTS FROM CHINA, 2000 AND 2014 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on data from COMTRADE.
19 19 19 20 13 21 23 40 26 36 16 34 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% 2000 2014 2000 2014 2000 2014 United States European Union Japan
High-Tech Manufacturing Medium-Tech Manufacturing Low-Tech Manufacturing Manufacturing Based on Natural Resources Primary Goods
Lack of reciprocity and the recessionary bias is stalling trade recovery
- Slow growth in the European Union (one-third of
global trade).
- Import substitution in China results in reduced
demand: transition towards a new model
- Reduced incentives for further geographical
fragmentation of production due to the maturity
- f China’s and Eastern Europe’s integration into
the world economy
- Weaknesses in global governance impede the
coordinated expansion of world output and productive restructuring in deficit countries
The TPP and other megaregional agreements aim to inject dynamism into world trade but...
- TPP accounts for:
– 36% of world GDP – 23% of world exports, 26% of world imports – 28% of FDI inflows – 43% of outflows – 11% of world population Intra-TPP trade reached US $2.1 trillion in 2014
- WTO-plus commitments in
services, investment, government procurement, digital trade
- By excluding China, the US
wants to write the rules of the game for IP incl. granting extended protection for pharmaceutical patents
- Risks include the opening up
sensitive sectors such as auto parts and dairy products
- Textile sector is sensitive for
Central America (due to increased competition from Viet Nam)
Latin America and the Caribbean shows its worst export performance in eight decades The region’s foreign trade will experience sharp contractions in 2015
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20 40 60 80 1931 1933 1935 1937 1939 1941 1943 1945 1947 1949 1951 1953 1955 1957 1959 1961 1963 1965 1967 1969 1971 1973 1975 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 1997 1999 2001 2003 2005 2007 2009 2011 2013 2015
Volume Price Value
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: ANNUAL VARIATION IN EXPORT VALUE AND VOLUME, 1931-2015 (Percentages)
Between 2012 and 2015, the region has its worst export performance in 8 decades
Source: ECLAC, based on ECLAC, “América Latina: relación de precios de intercambio”, Cuadernos Estadísticos de la CEPAL, Nº 1, Santiago, 1976 and data from regional indices.
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: ANNUAL VARIATION IN MERCHANDISE EXPORTS, 2000-2015 a (Percentages)
Regional exports are projected to drop 14% in 2015, the third straight year of ever increasing declines in value
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
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1.0
- 14.0
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10 20 30 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Volume Price Value
Regional imports will drop 10% in value
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: ANNUAL VARIATION IN MERCHANDISE IMPORTS, 2000-2015 a (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
- 8.5
- 1.5
- 10.0
- 30
- 20
- 10
10 20 30 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Volume Price Value
In 2015, there is a drop in the region’s exports to all its main trading partners
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: VARIATION IN THE VALUE OF EXPORTS TO SELECTED MARKETS, 2014 AND 2015 a (percentages)
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- 25.0
- 20.0
- 15.0
- 10.0
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0.0 5.0
United States World China European Union Asia (inc. China) Latin America and the Caribbean 2015 2014
Trade with China has lost momentum and exports have fallen for two consecutive years
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN : ANNUAL VARIATION IN VALUE OF TRADE WITH CHINA, 2008 to 2015 (Percentages)
Source: Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC ) on the basis of data from the National Bureau of Statistics of China.
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- 30
- 10
10 30 50 70 90 110 130
Jan-08 Jan-09 Jan-10 Jan-11 Jan-12 Jan-13 Jan-14 Jan-15 Exports Imports
For China, the region is relatively unimportant except as a supplier of commodities
CHINA: STRUCTURE OF IMPORTS OF GOODS BY REGION OF ORIGIN, 2013 (Percentages )
Source: Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC ), based on the database Trade Flows Characterization of the Centre d’Etudes Prospectives et d’Informations Internationales (CEPII).
15 4 7 7
6 8 15 11 9 8 2 14 27 29 11 13 10 63 54 53 53 44
66 10 4 5 20 28
20 40 60 80 100
Primary Goods (32%) Intermediate Goods (29%) Machinery and Equipment (14%) Consumption Goods (10%) Mixed-Use Goods (9%) Total
Latin America and the Caribbean United States European Union Rest of Asia Rest of the World
The largest drops in export value will be in South America and the Caribbean
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: (SELECTED SUB-REGIONS AND COUNTRIES) PROJECTED VARIATIONS IN EXPORT VALUE, VOLUME AND PRICE, 2015 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
3.9 3.3 4.6 1.0
- 20.8
- 17.3
- 3.9
- 4.1
- 14.0
- 25.0
- 20.0
- 15.0
- 10.0
- 5.0
0.0 5.0 10.0 South America Caribbean Central America Mexico Latin America and the Caribbean
Volume Price Value
- 20.4
Commodity prices: the 40 years that were just 9…
WORLD PRICES OF SELECTED COMMODITY GROUPS, 2000-2015 a (Indices, 2005 = 100)
Source: ECLAC, based on data from the World Bank, the IMF and The Economist Intelligence Unit.
a Values for 2015 are estimates.
LATIN AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES: PROJECTED AVERAGE VARIATION IN EXPORT PRICES, 2015 Central America (-7%) Mexico (-9%) Brazil (-16%) Venezuela, B.R. (-47%) Colombia (-29%) Ecuador (-29%) Peru (-15%) Argentina (-17%) Chile (-13%) Bolivia, P.S. (-25%) Paraguay (-11%) Uruguay (-7%) Caribbean (-20%)
Source: ECLAC based on data from COMTRADE, World Bank, FAO, UNCTAD and the US Departaments of Commerce and Labor.
50 100 150 200 250 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Energy Non-energy commodities Agricultural raw materials Foods Minerals and metals
There is a drop in regional terms of trade, except for Central America and non-oil exporting Caribbean countries
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN (SELECTED GROUPINGS AND COUNTRIES): PROJECTED VARIATION IN THE TERMS OF TRADE, 2015 (Percentages)
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
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5 Central America The Caribbean (Excluding Trinidad and Tobago) Mexico Mineral Exporters Brazil Agro-Products Exporters Latin American and the Caribbean Cuba and the Dominican Republic Oil Exporters (Excluding Mexico)
Nominal depreciations of several currencies in the region have not boosted exports
SELECTED COUNTRIES: MONTHLY NOMINAL EXCHANGE RATE INDEX, JANUARY 2000 to JULY 2015 (Index January 2000 = 100)
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures
Moreover, the region’s trade deficit as a share
- f GDP more than doubles in 2015
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN (SELECTED GROUPINGS AND COUNTRIES): TRADE BALANCES, 2014-2015 (Percentages of GDP)
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
2.7 1.6
- 0.5
- 0.2
- 0.2
- 0.7
- 0.1
- 1.2
- 1.2
0.7
- 1.5
- 1.0
- 0.5
0.0 0.5 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0
Oil exporters Mineral exporters Latin American and the Caribbean Mexico Brazil 2014 2015
Slow growth Desequilibria and recessive adjustment Changes in the structure of global trade DEFICIT COUNTRIES SURPLUS COUNTRIES Absence of reciprocity Lack of coordination
The region is at a turning point: risk global dependency or move towards diversification and regional integration
United States European Union China Other emerging economies
GLOBAL CONTEXT
How does Latin America and the Caribbean fit into the global picture?
Export structure:
- highly concentrated
- anchored in natural
resources and low technology goods
- weak participation in
international value chains
Import structure:
- diversified and intensive in
goods with high technological content
- dependent on imports of
capital goods and intermediate goods
Outcomes:
- worst export performance in 8 decades (-14%)
- intrarregional trade plummets in South America (-21%)
- regional trade deficit doubles (to 1.2% of GDP)
- depreciating currencies
- lower (or negative) GDP growth
What to do?
- Reinvigorate intraregional trade
- Attract FDI towards non-extractive sectors
which favors links with local and regional suppliers
- Promote the Trade Facilitation Agenda
- Diversify, promote industrialization and
innovation and increase local and regional content of production and exports
- Weak global governance requires
reciprocity and coordinated regional action
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: VARIATION IN INTRAREGIONAL AND EXTRAREGIONAL EXPORTS BY VALUE, 2005-2015 a (Percentages)
Intraregional exports fall more than exports to the rest of the world
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
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10 20 30 40 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Intra-Regional Extra-Regional
SOUTH AMERICA AND CENTRAL AMERICA: VARIATION IN INTRAREGIONAL AND EXTRAREGIONAL EXPORTS BY VALUE, 2007-2015 a (Percentages )
Intraregional trade plummets in South America but grows slightly in Central America
South America Central America
Source: ECLAC, based on official figures from the countries’ central banks, customs offices and national institutes of statistics.
a Figures for 2015 are projections.
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10 20 30 40 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Intra-Regional Extra-Regional 2
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5 10 15 20 25 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Intra-Regional Extra-Regional
Trade facilitation helps reduce costs and time to trade in the region
- TF is “the simplification and harmonization of international
trade procedures"
- Especially important in the context of global value chains,
which implies more border crossings
- It requires a high degree of intergovernmental coordination:
– Customs, health inspection, ministries of transport, health, migration, etc.
- WTO Agreement on Trade Facilitation (TFA) will soon enter
into force
- This year ECLAC conducted a survey in the region to
measure the degree of progress made on TF measures and readiness for TFA implementation
Caribbean Central America and Mexico South America Southeast Asia European Union Caribbean a 154% Central America and Mexico b 160% 88% South America c 218% 124% 91% Southeast Asia d 76% European Union e 43% United States 89% 66% 84% 85% 67%
SELECTED GROUPINGS: NON-TARIFF COSTS OF INTRA-GROUP TRADE AND TRADE WITH THE UNITED STATES, AVERAGE 2008-2013 (Tariff equivalents in percentages)
Source: ECLAC, on the basis of information of trade costs from the World Bank and Economic Commission for Asia Pacific (ESCAP) database.
a Jamaica and Dominican Republic. b Costa Rica, Guatemala and Mexico. c Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Colombia. d Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and
- Thailand. e Germany, France and the United Kingdom.
The costs of intraregional trade are higher than the costs of trading with the United States
The region is making progress in the implementation of trade facilitation however, the Caribbean lags behind
Regional average: 68%
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN (19 COUNTRIES): TOTAL SCORES IN THE GLOBAL SURVEY ON TRADE FACILITATION AND PAPERLESS TRADE IMPLEMENTATION, 2015 (Percentages of the maximum possible score )
Source : Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC), based on information from the Global Survey of Trade Facilitation and Paperless Trade Implementation 2015
83 82 81 81 77 76 76 74 74 74 71 70 69 64 60 53 50 47 31 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 Mexico Colombia Ecuador El Salvador Chile Costa Rica Guatemala Panama Peru Brazil Dominican Republic Paraguay Uruguay Nicaragua Honduras Trinidad and Tobago Bolivia (Pl. State of) Barbados Surinam
Coordination among government agencies is the main challenge in implementing trade facilitation in the region
WHAT ARE THE MAJOR CHALLENGES FACING YOUR COUNTRY TO IMPLEMENT TRADE FACILITATION MEASURES? (Number of mentions)
Source : Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC), based on information from the Global Survey of Trade Facilitation and Paperless Trade Implementation 2015
14 13 10 6 4 3 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 Lack of coordination among government agencies Insufficient human resources Financial constraints Lead agency is not defined clearly Lack of political will Insufficient IT infrastructure
Making progress on the Trade Facilitation agenda is important for the region
- To increase the low share of intraregional trade
- To improve production linkages within the region
and with the rest of the world
- To promote the internationalization of SMEs
- To promote transparency and coordination among
government agencies and fight corruption
- Integrate the Caribbean with the rest of the region
- National TF efforts would have a greater impact if
they are coordinated regionally
During the commodity boom, the region increased its dependence on natural resource exports
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN: STRUCTURE OF EXPORTS TO SELECTED DESTINATIONS BY TECHNOLOGY INTENSITY, 2000, 2005 AND 2014 (Percentages )
Source: ECLAC, based on data from COMTRADE database.
48 50 56 48 56 68 21 25 19 24 22 29 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 European Union Asia and the Pacific United States Latin America and the Caribbean
High-Tech Manufactures Medium-Tech Manufactures Low-Tech Manufactures Natural resource-based manufactures Commodities
This trend is even more pronounced if Mexico is excluded
LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN (EXCLUDING MEXICO): STRUCTURE OF EXPORTS TO SELECTED DESTINATIONS BY TECHNOLOGY INTENSITY, 2000, 2005 AND 2014 (Percentages )
Source: ECLAC, based on data from COMTRADE database.
50 52 60 52 59 71 47 43 45 25 24 33 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 2000 2005 2014 European Union Asia and the Pacific United States Latin America and the Caribbean High-Tech Manufactures Medium-Tech Manufactures Low-Tech Manufactures Natural resource-based manufactures Commodities
Policy recommendations
- Regional integration: Move towards an
integrated space with common rules for trade and investment
- Investment in transport and ITC infrastructure:
towards an integrated digital space
- Value chains for greater resilience of
intraregional trade and production and export diversification
- Industrial and technological policies with