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God of War or God of Peace? Question Question Various approaches Question Various approaches Suggestions Question Various approaches Suggestions Question Various approaches Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have.


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God of War or God of Peace?

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Question

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Question Various approaches

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Question Various approaches Suggestions

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Various approaches Question

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Suggestions Various approaches Question

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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they

  • have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman,

child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they

  • have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman,

child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another (Jn. 13:34-35)

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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Mt. 5:43-44)

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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)
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Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

Go strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

  • - God (1 Sam. 15:3)

You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also (Mt. 5:38- 39)

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You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also (Mt. 5:38- 39)

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But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded (Dt. 20:16-17)

You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also (Mt. 5:38- 39)

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded (Dt. 20:16-17)

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These seem totally opposite to each other

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The answers are all over the map

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Alter the text

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Alter the text

“Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? ” (2 Sam. 12:19)

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Alter the text

“Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? ” (2 Sam. 12:19) “Why do you treat the Lord with contempt? ” (2 Sam. 12:19)

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Alter the text

“Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? ” (2 Sam. 12:19)

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Alter the text

“Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? ” (2 Sam. 12:19) “Why do you treat the Lord with contempt? ” (2 Sam. 12:19)

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Alter God

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Alter God

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Alter God

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Alter God

Marcion

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Shabby, mean, vengeful, hateful O.T. God

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Shabby, mean, vengeful, hateful O.T. God Shiny, kind loving N.T. God

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The God of Genesis could not find Adam and Eve, having to call out, “Where are you?” (Gen. 3:9) The God of Genesis could not find Adam and Eve, having to call out, “Where are you?” (Gen. 3:9)

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The God of Genesis could not find Adam and Eve, having to call out, “Where are you?” (Gen. 3:9) Jesus knew even the thoughts of man (Luke 5:22) The God of Genesis could not find Adam and Eve, having to call out, “Where are you?” (Gen. 3:9)

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The O.T. God: “an eye for an eye” (Ex. 21:24) The O.T. God: “an eye for an eye” (Ex. 21:24)

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The O.T. God: “an eye for an eye” (Ex. 21:24) “If someone strikes you

  • n one cheek, turn to

him the other also” (Lk 6:29) The O.T. God: “an eye for an eye” (Ex. 21:24)

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Alter how we read the Bible

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Literal

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Literal Moral

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Literal Moral Allegorical

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Allegorical:

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Allegorical:

Canaanites

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender = old/new sin

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender = old/new sin Livestock

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender = old/new sin Livestock = all that goes with sin

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender = old/new sin Livestock = all that goes with sin Joshua

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Allegorical:

Canaanites = humanity’s sin Ages and gender = old/new sin Livestock = all that goes with sin Joshua = Jesus

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

  • Speeches weren’t really said,

they just further the storyline

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

  • Speeches weren’t really said,

they just further the storyline

  • Similarly attributions to God are

just furthering storylines

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

  • Speeches weren’t really said,

they just further the storyline

  • Similarly attributions to God are

just furthering storylines

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

  • Speeches weren’t really said,

they just further the storyline

  • Similarly attributions to God are

just furthering storylines

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The O.T. as “ancient historiography”

  • Concerned w/ literary persuasion,

not historical objectivity

  • Speeches weren’t really said,

they just further the storyline

  • Similarly attributions to God are

just furthering storylines

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Alter how we see God

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God is complex and at times abusive

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God is complex and at times abusive

  • God is abusive, but not always
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God is complex and at times abusive

  • God is abusive, but not always
  • “Abusive behavior is abusive; it is

inexcusable, in all circumstances ”

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God is complex and at times abusive

  • God is abusive, but not always
  • “Abusive behavior is abusive; it is

inexcusable, in all circumstances ”

  • “God is powerful but not perfect”
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God is complex and at times abusive

  • God is abusive, but not always
  • “Abusive behavior is abusive; it is

inexcusable, in all circumstances ”

  • “God is powerful but not perfect”
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God is complex and at times abusive

  • God is abusive, but not always
  • “Abusive behavior is abusive; it is

inexcusable, in all circumstances ”

  • “God is powerful but not perfect”

(Dt. 32:4 ; Ps. 18:30; Mt. 5:48)

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Ask for wisdom

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Ask for wisdom

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given to him” (Jms. 1:5)

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See God as God

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See God as God

“No one is good except God alone” – Lk. 18:19

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Welcome his Spirit

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Welcome his Spirit

“I will…refine them as one refines silver” – Zech. 13:8